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ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 05:51 AM
:usa: :usa: :usa: :jima: :usa: :usa: :usa:

I voted early, but you guys better remember to vote today! It's your civic duty! Don't care who you vote for, just do it!


:rocker:

http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/thumbnailfull/iraq-election-early-voting-2009-1-28-5-33-9.jpg

Derelict
11-02-2010, 05:58 AM
i just want these fucking commercials to go away

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 06:50 AM
Tonight is Erection Day. (http://www.economist.com/node/17358553?story_id=17358553?fsrc=scn/fb/wl/ar/pornopolitics)

If you vote for the winning side, chances are you're going to be spanking it tonight.

Indestructible
11-02-2010, 07:04 AM
I don't even know anything about these politicans running for governer. The only thing I know is that Carl Paladino is a prick.

ravenheart
11-02-2010, 07:06 AM
Right, so, the concept of more elections during a term of office is a bit strange here. So, who are you people voting for? Are you re-electing your senators? Or is it all local stuff? (we have local council elections in between "general" ones).

Or is it all just a glorified opinion pole?

ravenheart
11-02-2010, 07:09 AM
I don't even know anything about these politicans running for governer.

But the government is wrong about everything and conspiring against us, right?

SomewhereInTime72
11-02-2010, 07:09 AM
not voting because i have so much schoolwork that i can only leave my room for 5 minutes at a time to grab food or submit some of said work. :cool:

also apathy

Indestructible
11-02-2010, 07:21 AM
But the government is wrong about everything and conspiring against us, right?

Yes, so why would I vote for politicans who will do that exact same thing. The only good politican I have found right now is Ron Paul.

Derelict
11-02-2010, 07:25 AM
Right, so, the concept of more elections during a term of office is a bit strange here. So, who are you people voting for? Are you re-electing your senators? Or is it all local stuff? (we have local council elections in between "general" ones).

Or is it all just a glorified opinion pole?

Depends on where you live...there's quite a few governor's races going on, congress is elected every 2 years, and senate every 6, plus other random state/local offices. Where I live is *lucky* enough to have almost all of there going on, so there's signs/commercials almost non stop.

smearCampaign
11-02-2010, 07:26 AM
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

No, but seriously, absentee ballots kick ass.

Div
11-02-2010, 07:29 AM
the only important vote going on today is prop 19, which better fucking pass

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 07:30 AM
Right, so, the concept of more elections during a term of office is a bit strange here. So, who are you people voting for? Are you re-electing your senators? Or is it all local stuff? (we have local council elections in between "general" ones).

Or is it all just a glorified opinion pole?

Every election is different. At the federal level, the President is every 4 years, Congressmen (435 altogether) every two years, 1/3 of the Senators every two years (they serve six year terms). A lot of states have statewide races too.


For example, I'm in Ohio, and this election cycle I voted for my state Governor (paired with a Lt. Gov), state auditor, secretary of state, attorney general, chief justice of state Supreme Court, district courts judges, county judge, county commissioner, county treasurer, state treasurer, Federal Senator, State Senator, state representative, federal representative (called Congressmen), state school board representative....in addition to local tax issues and referendums. Mayor, city council, county sheriff, and other offices have elections different years.

In the US, we only have 3 federal elections (Prez, House, and Senate).....most of our direct democracy occurs at the State, County, and City level. In some states, voters can propose their own issues or altercations to the state Constitution (a truly fucked up system.) California, for example, is voting today to legalize marijuana.

That, my friend, is the American electoral system in a nutshell.

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 07:31 AM
the only important vote going on today is prop 19, which better fucking pass

I read that if it passes, California may become the "dude" for every other state in the Union. "I don't want none of that Mexican shit. I want good ole USA bud."

Div
11-02-2010, 07:34 AM
I read that if it passes, California may become the "dude" for every other state in the Union. "I don't want none of that Mexican shit. I want good ole USA bud."

I read the federal government might sue cali if it passes.

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 07:38 AM
I read the federal government might sue cali if it passes.

Yeah. They're gonna do that, no doubt. It'll probably go to the Supreme Court within two years, if it passes.

SomewhereInTime72
11-02-2010, 07:38 AM
the only important vote going on today is prop 19, which better fucking pass

I agree with this though I do think that it's really fucking sad that more important issues get completely ignored or rejected. Though at least something should get to go the right way, regardless of disordered priorities.

ravenheart
11-02-2010, 07:46 AM
Yes, so why would I vote for politicans who will do that exact same thing. The only good politican I have found right now is Ron Paul.

You don't even see the stupidity in what you just said do you?

ravenheart
11-02-2010, 07:51 AM
For example, I'm in Ohio, and this election cycle I voted for my state Governor (paired with a Lt. Gov), state auditor, secretary of state, attorney general, chief justice of state Supreme Court, district courts judges, county judge, county commissioner, county treasurer, state treasurer, Federal Senator, State Senator, state representative, federal representative (called Congressmen), state school board representative....in addition to local tax issues and referendums. Mayor, city council, county sheriff, and other offices have elections different years.

You surely don't vote all of those individually? There's no way we'd vote for things like judges here!

BloodoftheKings
11-02-2010, 07:58 AM
Some stoners are acting like if prop 19 passes marijuana is gonna be legal for everyone in the country.

smearCampaign
11-02-2010, 08:04 AM
Some stoners are acting like if prop 19 passes marijuana is gonna be legal for everyone in the country.

Well, it would be a pretty big step towards the legalization of the nation's #1 cash crop.

ravenheart
11-02-2010, 08:12 AM
Well, it would be a pretty big step towards the legalization of the nation's #1 cash crop.

Seriously, the real world just doesn't care. They should just carry on smoking it illegally like everyone else and stop bitching about it.

BloodoftheKings
11-02-2010, 08:14 AM
Seriously, the real world just doesn't care. They should just carry on smoking it illegally like everyone else and stop bitching about it.

1+

Sepultura69
11-02-2010, 08:14 AM
the only important vote going on today is prop 19, which better fucking pass
:metal:

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 08:23 AM
Well, it would be a pretty big step towards the legalization of the nation's #1 cash crop.

You think the US makes more money from marijuana than, say, corn or tomatoes or potatoes?

And once its legal, the price will fall.

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 08:25 AM
You surely don't vote all of those individually? There's no way we'd vote for things like judges here!

Yeah, we vote for those individually. There is a thing called "voter's fatigue" in which candidates at the bottom of the ballot don't get as many voters as the positions higher up because voters get tired halfway through the process and just leave it blank. Good example of how much work direct democracy is and how lazy Americans are. :lol:

I don't understand why some places have judges as an elected position. Our federal Supreme Court is appointed, but for some reason our local judges are elected. It's kinda weird.

TonyD
11-02-2010, 08:27 AM
Most of the potheads and just about everybody in Humboldt/Mendocino is against it because they're worried about the government controlling it, but I voted yes just so that it's decriminalized and we're not spending money on enforcing it.

But yeah, it's not gonna pass :(

Sepultura69
11-02-2010, 08:42 AM
I dont think pot should be legalized, If you live in southern california you would know exactly what I mean. Its pretty much Legal here already. Theres probably over 300 medical marijuana clinics and dispensaries around my area Alone. Not to mention most of these pot clinics are protected by the cops and sherrifs county so the days of Pot Raids are pretty much over with(MIND you im talking about where I live I have no fuckin clue how it works over wher you guys live)...if you want to know HOW LEGAL IT IS HERE.....there is a clinic i always go to and it has a 500 pound cop with tazors/vest/guns/the whole nine yards protecting the place...its like a fucking bank

I have a medical card(I actually suffer a bad case of insomnia, I been taking prescription medication for about 12 years for it because I can LITTERALLY go weeks without sleeping, but i recently had the dr Get me off it cause the side effects where terrible)and going to these clubs is as legal as going to a grocery store to bag on grocery... but instead of bagging on grocery your baggin on the smelly stinky herbs. What would happend if pot becomes Legal? Will all the pot Clinics and despensaries close down?.....since on the news they said if it where legal they would start making grocery store sized Cannibis stores....and since you wouldnt need to have a medical license to carry pot would that basically mean my medical card is worthless soon?

mind you if this becomes legal they said it wouldnt' take into effect untill 2011:cool:

TonyD
11-02-2010, 08:50 AM
mind you if this becomes legal they said it wouldnt' take into effect untill 2011:cool:

That's in 2 months breh

smearCampaign
11-02-2010, 09:04 AM
Seriously, the real world just doesn't care. They should just carry on smoking it illegally like everyone else and stop bitching about it.

Well then I guess in turn the opinion of 'real world' means nothing to me personally. It's the nation I live in and a drug that I use, so given the option I would rather not be treated like a criminal for smoking a fucking joint, when some drunk can go to a liquor store and legally buy enough booze to kill himself or get tanked enough to kill someone else. I'm not bitching, we're having a discussion about the topic of elections and voting and it's on the ballot in several states in this country. Legal or not people will use it and the United States spends an inordinate amount of money policing marijuana and prosecuting and imprisoning non-violent offenders.

DethMaiden
11-02-2010, 09:06 AM
GOD can we please not act like marijuana matters one fucking bit in a country with an economy in the doldrums, an environment going to shit, and a whole segment of the population without equal rights. You smoke it anyway while it's illegal, you just don't want to possibly get hassled about it. Shut the fuck up and grow the fuck up.

Div
11-02-2010, 09:06 AM
Seriously, the real world just doesn't care. They should just carry on smoking it illegally like everyone else and stop bitching about it.

My dad always told me I should learn something new everyday, today I learned that ravenheart speaks for the "real world".

smearCampaign
11-02-2010, 09:15 AM
GOD can we please not act like marijuana matters one fucking bit in a country with an economy in the doldrums, an environment going to shit, and a whole segment of the population without equal rights. You smoke it anyway while it's illegal, you just don't want to possibly get hassled about it. Shut the fuck up and grow the fuck up.

I don't think anyone here is saying that it is anywhere near the most important political issue on the table. It's way the fuck down my list of political priorities. But since we were discussing it I thought I would throw my opinion down. I will shut the fuck up now sir. I will work on the growing the fuck up part.

Derelict
11-02-2010, 09:16 AM
GOD can we please not act like marijuana matters one fucking bit in a country with an economy in the doldrums, an environment going to shit, and a whole segment of the population without equal rights. You smoke it anyway while it's illegal, you just don't want to possibly get hassled about it. Shut the fuck up and grow the fuck up.

I dont smoke weed, nor do I plan on it if its legal, but the amount of money wasted prosecuting/incarcerating people is staggering and could be put to much better use in other ways (ie, healthcare).

DethMaiden
11-02-2010, 09:23 AM
I don't think anyone here is saying that it is anywhere near the most important political issue on the table. It's way the fuck down my list of political priorities. But since we were discussing it I thought I would throw my opinion down. I will shut the fuck up now sir. I will work on the growing the fuck up part.

Good point.

the only important vote going on today is prop 19, which better fucking pass

Never mind.

I dont smoke weed, nor do I plan on it if its legal, but the amount of money wasted prosecuting/incarcerating people is staggering and could be put to much better use in other ways (ie, healthcare).

The pro-drug lobby needs more people like you.

Derelict
11-02-2010, 09:27 AM
The pro-drug lobby needs more people like you.

Cameron posted this before...

http://www.theonion.com/audio/marijuana-legalized-2-days-after-advocates-put-on,13857/

Div
11-02-2010, 09:30 AM
GOD can we please not act like marijuana matters one fucking bit in a country with an economy in the doldrums, an environment going to shit, and a whole segment of the population without equal rights. You smoke it anyway while it's illegal, you just don't want to possibly get hassled about it. Shut the fuck up and grow the fuck up.

Getting hassled is when you get pulled over for having a brake light out. getting arrested, fined, put on probation, fired from your job, and possibly locked up is a wee bit more than a hassle. But do u really think any of the guys on my ballot are going to fix anything? Me either. Thus, it doesnt matter.

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 09:43 AM
So, on a lighter note, what are your thoughts on Quantitative Easing: Round 2? :eyes:

smearCampaign
11-02-2010, 10:43 AM
So, on a lighter note, what are your thoughts on Quantitative Easing: Round 2? :eyes:

Personally, not a fan of the idea, but the Fed has essentially already started Quantitative Easing part 2 by re-investing payments from the assets it already bought in the first round last year. I was under the impression that following the first round of 1.7 trillion the Fed would reabsorb the returned principal to help level out it's bloated balance sheet. Holiday spending is always a big indicator of economic health, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lack of economic growth leads to another large scale Quantitative Easing program of some sort.

I was a liberal arts major so take everything I say with a grain or a ton of salt.

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 10:49 AM
Personally, not a fan of the idea, but the Fed has essentially already started Quantitative Easing part 2 by re-investing payments from the assets it already bought in the first round last year. I was under the impression that following the first round of 1.7 trillion the Fed would reabsorb the returned principal to help level out it's bloated balance sheet. Holiday spending is always a big indicator of economic health, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lack of economic growth leads to another large scale Quantitative Easing program of some sort.

I was a liberal arts major so take everything I say with a grain or a ton of salt.

I think we're in a liquidity trap. The Fed is trying to make investment more attractive and increase exports, but something else is wrong. I don't know how effective the first round was, so I don't know how effective round 2 will be. Demand is too low....and, unfortunately, the only cures for that are wait a really long time or increase government spending.

I also wonder about the medium-term risks of QE2. Lets say the economy is jump-started, but inflation rises too quickly. Well, then the Fed has to put on the brakes and that puts us on a roller coaster over the next decade because there is a lag between monetary policy and market response. Whereas, with government spending, we increase spending on big infrastructure projects, increase employment, and increase demand over the period of a few months or a year...the economy starts growing at a rate that can sustain job growth....then we deal with the long-term debt crisis.

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 03:00 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-online-voting-system-allows-millions-of-mastur,18376/?utm_souce=popbox

FOR THE LULZ

IrritatedTrout
11-02-2010, 03:05 PM
I voted, although there was very little on my ballot.

larvtard
11-02-2010, 03:37 PM
Voted for the first time in my life today :party: I know my one vote doesn't matter, but I like the feeling of independence, ya know? I can proudly shout, "That's right, motherfuckers, I voted!" other than that I don't care that much.
I only researched the governor candidates, though, so I left everyone else blank. I'm not a fan of voting with my party without even knowing what the guy is about.

idrinkwine732
11-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Marijuana is already decriminalized here in California as long as you have under an oz. It's harder to get out of a parking ticket than pay a possession fine.

I don't really need Prop 19 to pass, because by the time I turn 21, I won't be smoking weed, I'll be focusing on more important things.

mankvill
11-02-2010, 04:12 PM
I didn't vote today.

Don't hate me!

daimonos
11-02-2010, 05:55 PM
I don't really need Prop 19 to pass, because by the time I turn 21, I won't be smoking weed, I'll be focusing on more important things.

On more important things.

:drinking:

Div
11-02-2010, 06:42 PM
My friend and I went over to a local campaign HQ and got paid to go remind registered voters to get out and vote today for 5 hours. We were done with our assigned houses pretty soon, so we went and called up a friend and hotboxed the car, then went and chilled at the mall for the remaining 3 hours. Easiest $75 ever, plus I did a civic duty. :cool:

elturtleboy
11-02-2010, 07:34 PM
weed is losing here in cali by ten percent :(
Jerry brown is winning tho :)
time to bump Dead Kennedys and Cannabis Corpse

jhdeity
11-02-2010, 07:34 PM
Maryland finally got slots at teh mall. Now we just need poker so I can make a decent living

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 07:52 PM
WE'RE FUCKED.

mankvill
11-02-2010, 08:04 PM
Fulfill your dreams of a user-friendly society
where it's accepted or at least, permitted
so assholes like you could speed up the process
We won't have to listen anymore

Legalize the shit - Take a guess why
Legalize the shit - So you can fuckin' die [x2]

Please forgive my negligence
I'd rather see you in the past tense

You can't tell me
You can't tell me
You can't tell me
cuz your fucking brain is gone

idrinkwine732
11-02-2010, 08:08 PM
weed is losing here in cali by ten percent :(
Jerry brown is winning tho :)
time to bump Dead Kennedys and Cannabis Corpse
If you're under 21, it's not to your advantage to have Prop 19 pass, and if you're over 21, then do something else.

Until that 21 hits :stoned:

WE'RE FUCKED.

I know...

ChildrenofSodom
11-02-2010, 08:19 PM
Prop 19 is heading towards defeat.

Ohio went completely red. We have a divided Congress. The next two years are going to be so fucking fun.......argahgnwaobgn3eognwpgnwngpwgwgwp

hot_turkey_ed
11-02-2010, 08:26 PM
... I know my one vote doesn't matter...

One never knows exactly when a vote matters. Personally, I've been involved in a local race decided by less than 100 votes with tens of thousands cast. It wasn't that long ago that every vote was up for grabs in Florida in deciding a Presidential election.

Congrats on your first vote.

:usa:

mankvill
11-02-2010, 08:47 PM
I am going to defer to Cameron since he knows a hell of a lot more about this shit than I do: So what do you think of the outcome?

elturtleboy
11-02-2010, 09:40 PM
yeah weed is still illegal. Oh well ol fashion stays.
Jerry Brown won,he aint great but he aint meg whitmin. So thats cool.

christopher
11-02-2010, 10:59 PM
yeah weed is still illegal. Oh well ol fashion stays.
Jerry Brown won,he aint great but he aint meg whitmin. So thats cool.

I can't find anything that says so. The official site is crashed. Every other place says as of 10pm, 17% of California voted 56% against weed and claiming we lost with less that one/fifth of the state counted.

ChildrenofSodom
11-03-2010, 02:08 AM
I am going to defer to Cameron since he knows a hell of a lot more about this shit than I do: So what do you think of the outcome?

The Republicans just achieved the biggest party switch since 1938. Democrats had a huge majority in the House after the 2006 and 2008 elections, so it only makes since that they had room to fall. Historically, the President's party is punished in the midterm election. The economy is doing poorly right now, and voters tend to retaliate against the party in power.

You're going to hear about how voters are angry with "how Democrats are operating government" and how this is proof that the Health care bill should be repealed or whatever. Don't listen to them: this is about economics and how voters grade Democrats handling of the economy. If the economy improves in the next year and a half, there is no reason to believe the President can't win re-election, or at least put up a fight.

Going forward, we're looking at a divided government. Democrats barely have a majority in the Senate. Depending on how Washington and Colorado fall, they could have either 51, 52, or 53 Senators. Joe Lieberman is an independent, but he groups himself with the Democrats. It's possible that he may side with the Republicans on a few votes, so then we're looking at possible 50-50 tie, in which Vice President Biden will cast the deciding tie-breaker vote (VP is President of Senate, per the Constitution.) Democrat Ben Nelson, however, is very conservative and the GOP may try to convince him to vote with them or maybe even switch parties.

Alot of Governor's races and State Legislatures went to the Republicans, which mean they will control the redistricting next year. There are two options for the next two years: Republicans in the House work with the President and Senate to pass moderate bills OR, and this more likely, they are vocal opponents of anything the President wants to do in order to position themselves for the 2012 election. In 1995, the GOP was shut down because Republicans wouldn't approve Clinton's budget. It backfired the public got mad at them. Boehner was newly elected when that happened, and there's no doubt that is fresh in his mind. I don't know if he will try to pull any stunts like that against Obama or not.

I'm not sure what the agenda will look like for the next two years. My biggest complaint against the Democrats is that Obama let Reid and Pelosi handle the legislation......He talked a lot about bipartisanship but in the end he did very little of the debating...he left it to his leaders in Congress. I think the President is going to HAVE to sit down with Boehner and the Republicans and pass actual bipartisan legislation if he wants to get anything passed. I'd imagine cap-and-trade or any climate change bill is dead, immigration may be taken up, education maybe, i don't know at this point. The most immediate issue is going to be the Bush Tax Cuts, which expire at the end of the year.


The Fed is expected to announce its long-awaited QE2 program today, which is supposed to stimulate the economy. I doubt Congress will be able or willing to pass any kind of stimulus program to achieve that, so economic policy is pretty much locked up. These Tea Party people are upset with government spending and want to cut spending, lower taxes, and regulation. Yes, debt and deficit are important problems in the long-run...but I don't think austerity is the route to go at this point in our recovery. We need sensible long-term reforms, not knee-jerk x-acto knife program cutting.

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 02:50 AM
The Fed is expected to announce its long-awaited QE2 program today, which is supposed to stimulate the economy. I doubt Congress will be able or willing to pass any kind of stimulus program to achieve that, so economic policy is pretty much locked up. These Tea Party people are upset with government spending and want to cut spending, lower taxes, and regulation. Yes, debt and deficit are important problems in the long-run...but I don't think austerity is the route to go at this point in our recovery. We need sensible long-term reforms, not knee-jerk x-acto knife program cutting.

I don't think any program the Fed creates will do anything to help the economy. All the fed does to the economy is ruin it, and they lead us more and more into debt. Debt is an important problem, it should be at the top of the list for things in this country that need to be fixed.
I have 3 words that will fix the economy, End The Fed

Derelict
11-03-2010, 05:25 AM
This thread wasn't bad til about 650AM today.

ChildrenofSodom
11-03-2010, 05:47 AM
ChildrenofSodom
That's real adult, atleast I was trying to have a smart debate and was trying to form my sentences so everyone can understand it.
Let me ask you this. Where in the U.S Constitution does it authorize the fed to print money. No where,congress only has the power to coin money, make only gold and silver in payments of debts.
.

Congress gave the Fed that power. The Federal Reserve operates under mandates from Congress. Fed policymakers are required to report to Congress throughout the year. Congress can do anything it wants to alter the Fed's power at anytime, they just don't do it very often. Appointees to the Fed Board are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate and Reserve Presidents are appointed by member banks and approved by the Board.

And Congress voted to end the gold standard. It is allowed to do that.

ChildrenofSodom
11-03-2010, 05:48 AM
This thread wasn't bad til about 650AM today.


Sorry. I was upset about politics and then this kid got me upset about economics. Bad combination. I'll knock it off.

NP:

Baying of the Hounds
Ghost Reveries
Opeth

:rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 05:50 AM
atleast I was trying to have a smart debate and was trying to form my sentences so everyone can understand it.

Only the second part of that is true. You did at least manage to form a coherent sentence. You didn't however manage to enter into anything even closely resembling a "smart debate" because you didn't make any valid points. All you actually typed were anti-Fed statements with no reasoning.

Which, in all political discussion, is all you ever type, substituting "government" for "Fed" when the discussion suits.

Div
11-03-2010, 06:11 AM
Once again the clusterfuck that is American Politics has been clogged with bullshit again and didn't achieve a goddamn thing. Because politicians are so damn paranoid and certain people have irrational fears we end up with the wrong drug legalized. Society is a lie.


http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1180/1288661884672.jpg

Div
11-03-2010, 06:30 AM
And some other thoughts...

House: Boehner may not be a perfect Speaker, and I hope he can be trusted and this doesn't turn into another one of those ironic moments ("hey remember when we elected that guy boehner and we all got boned? shoulda saw that coming a mile away"), but I really hated Pelosi with a passion. Her stuck up way of doing things just pissed me off. "Oh the American people don't want this bill to pass? Well too bad cuz were the govunrment and u do what we say lol". Decrepit old cunt.

Senate: I think it's cool Rand Paul got in, even if his beliefs are old school to the point where its a bit ridiculous, I feel he, along with the tea parties will help to change the way American conservatives think. Even if they're thinking like its over 100 yeas ago, thats waaaay better than having the Reagan/Cold War/Red Scare mentality that most conservatives have today. Hopefully that type of thinking goes the way of the dinosaurs within the next 10 years.

Environment: The only way to fix this is to get corporations to give a fuck. Hippies can chain their greasy, malnourished, granola eating asses to bulldozers all day, but the only ones with the power and resources to change this are the multinational corporations. Until we convince or force them to all go green, the rest is insignificant.

Economy: The only good thing about weed being illegal is that we don't have to report our earnings to the IRS, which leaves a little bit of spending money in an otherwise bleak situation. Sad that it has to come to black market shit just in order to afford buying some winter shirts at k-mart or having a few drinks with friends on the weekends. If the FED can fix this then they have my support, but I don't think that's going to happen. When you think about it, the banks are the ones who fucked up, they should be held a little more responsible. Government bailouts don't help anybody in the long run. Example: the motor companies that had to be bailed out should've went out of business. Ford was smart enough to take out loans before the economy got shitty and that padded them so they could make it through the recession. That's called good business practice. GM didn't do this but they get a free pass anyway at everyone's expense.

powerslave_85
11-03-2010, 06:37 AM
GOD can we please not act like marijuana matters one fucking bit in a country with an economy in the doldrums, an environment going to shit, and a whole segment of the population without equal rights. You smoke it anyway while it's illegal, you just don't want to possibly get hassled about it. Shut the fuck up and grow the fuck up.Sorry, but you're wrong on this. There are myriad reasons why pot needs to be legal, and none of them are of the "dude, let's get stoned" variety.
-Like someone else said, it props up an extremely expensive, oppressive, and racist prison system.
-Legalizing it would drastically help reduce the crime and violence on the border. It's the same mentality of prohibition: if you make something popular illegal, criminals are going to kill people to make money on it.
-Making it legal nationwide would be a huge boost in revenue from taxes, not to mention an influx of cash that would usually be used combating the drug trade.

DethMaiden
11-03-2010, 06:39 AM
Sorry, but you're wrong on this. There are myriad reasons why pot needs to be legal, and none of them are of the "dude, let's get stoned" variety.
-Like someone else said, it props up an extremely expensive, oppressive, and racist prison system.
-Legalizing it would drastically help reduce the crime and violence on the border. It's the same mentality of prohibition: if you make something popular illegal, criminals are going to kill people to make money on it.
-Making it legal nationwide would be a huge boost in revenue from taxes, not to mention an influx of cash that would usually be used combating the drug trade.

And you know, if the people defending Prop 19 on my Facebook weren't uniformly stoners, I might give a shit. They probably know all of the things that you just said, but they choose to go with "IT GROWS IN THE GROUND!" and "ALCOHOL IS WORSE!" - every goddamn time. Again, if the pro-pot lobby revamped its image, it would have my respect.

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 06:43 AM
Environment: The only way to fix this is to get corporations to give a fuck. Hippies can chain their greasy, malnourished, granola eating asses to bulldozers all day, but the only ones with the power and resources to change this are the multinational corporations. Until we convince or force them to all go green, the rest is insignificant.

Yes! I've been saying more or less this for years in this country too. We're constantly having these trendy fads, like recycling plastic bags in supermarkets, that everyone buys in to because it's easy to implement and they can all claim they're helping save the environment, when none of it really makes a difference.

Derelict
11-03-2010, 06:56 AM
Sorry. I was upset about politics and then this kid got me upset about economics. Bad combination. I'll knock it off.

NP:

Baying of the Hounds
Ghost Reveries
Opeth

:rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

Wasn't complaining about you, boss - you are passionate and well informed. Someone else posted at 650AM.

powerslave_85
11-03-2010, 07:31 AM
And you know, if the people defending Prop 19 on my Facebook weren't uniformly stoners, I might give a shit. They probably know all of the things that you just said, but they choose to go with "IT GROWS IN THE GROUND!" and "ALCOHOL IS WORSE!" - every goddamn time. Again, if the pro-pot lobby revamped its image, it would have my respect.
"Stoners are annoying" isn't a good enough reason not to support legalization.

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 07:48 AM
I didn't vote, I didn't know much about any of the politicans. I'm not going to walk blindly into a voting booth and vote for someone I know nothing about. Carl Paladino is a prick,that is all I know. I get the feeling alot of people just blindly vote for politicans, one of the reasons this country has gone downhill.
Right now the votes don't really matter, you are just voting in the same tyrants we have had for years.

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 07:51 AM
On the marjiuana debate

Marajiuana should just be legal. Marajiuana is proven to be safe and proven to help aids and cancer paitents. Also most stoners just sit in there house and smoke it, so they aren't bothering anyone else. If there are people who are high that are causing harm to the public and acting irresponsible they will be dealt with, leave the rest alone. You can't punish everyone for what a few irresponsible people did.

powerslave_85
11-03-2010, 07:54 AM
Stoners being annoying isn't a reason to keep it illegal.Is there an echo in here?

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 07:55 AM
Is there an echo in here?

I read your post wrong.

Fe Maiden
11-03-2010, 08:36 AM
Jerry brown is winning tho :)
I cannot believe he got re-elected to that office as he was so fucking lousy the first time heheld it!

God help CA with Brown & Boxer we are doomed:hmm:

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 10:22 AM
Also most stoners just sit in there house and smoke it, so they aren't bothering anyone else

Think that bit through... they're in their house smoking it because it's illegal. As soon as it's not, they'll be out and proud ;)

I don't really care either way, but this has been going on for so long it's really about time people just accepted that it's never going to happen and moved on.

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 10:23 AM
I didn't vote, I didn't know much about any of the politicans. I'm not going to walk blindly into a voting booth and vote for someone I know nothing about.

Right now the votes don't really matter, you are just voting in the same tyrants we have had for years.

Are you honestly not understanding how dumb saying both of these things is?

Div
11-03-2010, 11:03 AM
Also most stoners just sit in there house and smoke it, so they aren't bothering anyone else.

:cool: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D-PFdCup2E) <- clickable smilie

idrinkwine732
11-03-2010, 12:01 PM
I cannot believe he got re-elected to that office as he was so fucking lousy the first time heheld it!

I disagree. His time in office was characterized helping coming out of a huge recession. Sure, the guy's not super man and I don't think he's going to be anything more than good at best, but "fucking lousy," probably not.

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 12:08 PM
Are you honestly not understanding how dumb saying both of these things is?

I don't see how something is dumb just because you disagree with it. O wait people on this site are still pricks.

mankvill
11-03-2010, 12:11 PM
I don't see how something is dumb just because you disagree with it. O wait people on this site are still pricks.

So, you don't understand?

powerslave_85
11-03-2010, 12:25 PM
I don't see how something is dumb just because you disagree with it. O wait people on this site are still pricks.
NO U

ChildrenofSodom
11-03-2010, 12:47 PM
To tell you how stupid our elections were here in Ohio:

John Kasich is going to be our new governor. He wants to get rid of the state income tax, which makes up 40-50% of the budget revenue. Great idea.

Mike Dewine got voted out of Congress in 2006 and just beat Richard Cordray in the race for Attorney General. Cordray was a five time champion on Jeopardy, recently filed a lawsuit to investigate foreclosure procedures, and, in two years, has cleaned up corruption in the office. Now Mike Dewine, an absolutely moron, is taking the place of one of the smartest men to ever hold office in Ohio. The stupid people elected a stupid man.

Don't really care about the other positions. GOP now controls Supreme Court, General Assembly (both houses), and Governor's Office. They also control 4/5th of the reapportionment board, which means even more gerrymandering. We are losing two seats due to poor Census results, and I'm afraid Kaptur, Fudge, Kucinich, or one of our other Democratic Congressmen are going to be redistricted out of office. The Republicans also control the State Senate more than 2-to-1, and will redistrict even more safe districts for themselves.

Sorry for the hyper-partisanship...but I feel like these things are universally despicable.

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 12:51 PM
I don't see how something is dumb just because you disagree with it.

Nor do I, but that's not at all why what you're saying is stupid.

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 02:59 PM
Who here hates Christine O' Donnel.
I do

TonyD
11-03-2010, 03:06 PM
Who here hates Christine O' Donnel.
I do



...
Fuck it.

JuuKun
11-03-2010, 03:24 PM
So, we've got Lincoln Chafee as governor now, and he wants to tax everything. Gas, textbooks, clothing, groceries, amputee veteran motor vehicles/equipment, rent charged by universities & nursing homes, residential water...EVERYTHING.

I thought RI was pretty doomed to start with. Caprio/Chafee have been the focus of everything (I didn't see a single commercial or advertisement for Robitaille, who Chafee only narrowly beat) and they both seemed like pretty lousy options to me. Then when Obama declined to back Caprio, he told him that he could take his endorsement and shove it. Really intelligent move a week before elections, huh?

Indestructible
11-03-2010, 03:28 PM
So, we've got Lincoln Chafee as governor now, and he wants to tax everything. Gas, textbooks, clothing, groceries, amputee veteran motor vehicles/equipment, rent charged by universities & nursing homes, residential water...EVERYTHING.


Of course the government is trying to tax everything. They literaly want to tax the air we breathe.

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 03:32 PM
So, we've got Lincoln Chafee as governor now, and he wants to tax everything. Gas, textbooks, clothing, groceries, amputee veteran motor vehicles/equipment, rent charged by universities & nursing homes, residential water...EVERYTHING.

All of these things are taxed in the UK... :eyes:

JuuKun
11-03-2010, 03:38 PM
All of these things are taxed in the UK... :eyes:

To be sure, it's not the end of the world. I'm even pretty sure it's a fairly minimal tax. I just don't like the guy :bouville:

powerslave_85
11-03-2010, 03:45 PM
...You don't have sales tax in Rhode Island?

ChildrenofSodom
11-03-2010, 03:49 PM
All of these things are taxed in the UK... :eyes:

We have federal, state, local, and county taxes. He probably means implementing state taxes on those things on top of the federal taxes. There is a federal gas tax, not sure about the other things though.

hot_turkey_ed
11-03-2010, 03:56 PM
To tell you how stupid our elections were here in Ohio:

John Kasich is going to be our new governor. He wants to get rid of the state income tax, which makes up 40-50% of the budget revenue. Great idea.

Mike Dewine got voted out of Congress in 2006 and just beat Richard Cordray in the race for Attorney General. Cordray was a five time champion on Jeopardy, recently filed a lawsuit to investigate foreclosure procedures, and, in two years, has cleaned up corruption in the office. Now Mike Dewine, an absolutely moron, is taking the place of one of the smartest men to ever hold office in Ohio. The stupid people elected a stupid man.

Don't really care about the other positions. GOP now controls Supreme Court, General Assembly (both houses), and Governor's Office. They also control 4/5th of the reapportionment board, which means even more gerrymandering. We are losing two seats due to poor Census results, and I'm afraid Kaptur, Fudge, Kucinich, or one of our other Democratic Congressmen are going to be redistricted out of office. The Republicans also control the State Senate more than 2-to-1, and will redistrict even more safe districts for themselves.

Sorry for the hyper-partisanship...but I feel like these things are universally despicable.

Some states don't fund their budgets through state income taxes. There are legitimate other ways to fund a state government. Spending less, that's another way to handle deficits.

Gerrymandering.. both parties excel at it.

Hyper-partisanship... at least you admitted that. ;)

JuuKun
11-03-2010, 03:57 PM
...You don't have sales tax in Rhode Island?

The things that Chafee wants to tax were previously exempt from our state's 7% sales tax.

ravenheart
11-03-2010, 04:01 PM
The things that Chafee wants to tax were previously exempt from our state's 7% sales tax.

:lol: Our equivalent to your sales tax is 17.5%. Rising to 20% in January 2011.

There are plenty of countries where it's higher though, so it's hard to complain too hard.

Is your 7% state tax on top of a country-wide one?

powerslave_85
11-03-2010, 04:13 PM
Having no sales tax is awesome, but I always get confused when I go back down to the lower 48. "Wait, it's how much?...Oh, right."

larvtard
11-03-2010, 04:40 PM
Of course the government is trying to tax everything. They literaly want to tax the air we breathe.

shhhhhhhhhh

ChildrenofSodom
11-03-2010, 04:52 PM
Some states don't fund their budgets through state income taxes. There are legitimate other ways to fund a state government. Spending less, that's another way to handle deficits.

Gerrymandering.. both parties excel at it.

Hyper-partisanship... at least you admitted that. ;)

- There are legitimate ways to fund state government, but Ohio's population is growing very slowly, our industry is dying, and we need money to invest in new ventures. I think cutting spending this early in the recovery is a bad idea.

Eventually cut spending and raise taxes, pay off the debt, then lower taxes....and then you've got a balanced government.

Maiden33
11-08-2010, 08:02 AM
I didn't vote, I didn't know much about any of the politicans. I'm not going to walk blindly into a voting booth and vote for someone I know nothing about. Carl Paladino is a prick,that is all I know. I get the feeling alot of people just blindly vote for politicans, one of the reasons this country has gone downhill.
Right now the votes don't really matter, you are just voting in the same tyrants we have had for years.

Logic question:
If you blindly hate all politicians, how is it right to criticize others for possibly blindly approving of them?

Natrlhi
11-08-2010, 09:01 AM
Logic question:
If you blindly hate all politicians, how is it right to criticize others for possibly blindly approving of them?
:party: Nice - even though asking him this question is rather like asking a kindergartener to do calculus.

EDIT: In before bibble says, "but I like Ron Paul".

Dissimulate
11-10-2010, 12:57 PM
Fuck California not passing Proposition 19.

treghet
11-10-2010, 01:56 PM
Fuck California not passing Proposition 19.

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me. It had some holes in it. However, the votes did show and increased support for legalization. I would say it will happen sometime, just not right now.

ChildrenofSodom
11-10-2010, 02:26 PM
I would say it will happen sometime, just not right now.

Woah. You should work for CNN.

treghet
11-10-2010, 02:42 PM
Woah. You should work for CNN.

*confused*

ChildrenofSodom
11-10-2010, 02:54 PM
*confused*

You're really good at making political predictions.

treghet
11-10-2010, 06:42 PM
You're really good at making political predictions.

Well thank you. I have never really thought about that, but it would make for an interesting job. Currently I'm looking into the field of graphic design though.

idrinkwine732
11-10-2010, 06:56 PM
Fuck California not passing Proposition 19.

We don't need it to pass. Would I rather allow the government to have control of my weed, or just have it in my hands?

It's decriminalized here, so even smart smokers aren't voting for it.

Wizzbang11
11-11-2010, 07:13 AM
Well thank you. I have never really thought about that, but it would make for an interesting job. Currently I'm looking into the field of graphic design though.

I strongly believe he was not making serious statement.

treghet
11-11-2010, 09:19 AM
I strongly believe he was not making serious statement.

Now that I look back at it, yeah...

I guess part of me was hoping he wasn't being sarcastic, since he's never came off as a dick (to me) before.

ChildrenofSodom
11-11-2010, 09:35 AM
Now that I look back at it, yeah...

I guess part of me was hoping he wasn't being sarcastic, since he's never came off as a dick (to me) before.

I was totally just kidding with you dude. No ill feelings on my end. Just having some fun. :D

treghet
11-11-2010, 09:39 AM
I was totally just kidding with you dude. No ill feelings on my end. Just having some fun. :D

Ah, okay. :)

jd091
11-13-2010, 08:54 PM
The only good politican I have found right now is Ron Paul.

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
:party::party::party::party::party:

ChildrenofSodom
11-13-2010, 10:07 PM
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
:party::party::party::party::party:

Jesus Christ not another.