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Wizzbang11
08-10-2010, 08:37 PM
The Prog/Power list made me remember that the "guide to old school death metal" list hasn't been made, and I didn't feel like waiting any longer, so I threw mine up. I tried to throw some less known one in here but kept the obvious, and even then I'm guessing most people here will disagree, but whatever. I tried to not put anything that came out after 1995, but it may have happened. I put one album by each band but there were a few I could not decide on, also it should be noted that some of these dabble in black metal, but are overwhelmingly death so I threw them on here anyway.

Top 24 (in no order):
Autopsy- Mental Funeral, Severed Survival
Bolt Thrower- Realms of Chaos
Incantation- Onward to Golgotha
Sadistik Exekution- We Are Death...Fukk You!
Cancer- To the Gory End, Death Shall Rise
Cannibal Corpse- Eaten Back to Life
Nocturnus- The Key
Seance- Fornever Laid to Rest
Carcass- Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious *
Carnage- Dark Recollections
Asphyx- The Last One on Earth
Dark Millenium- Ashore the Celestial Burning
Entombed- Clandestine, Left Hand Path
Bestial Warlust- Vengeance War Till Death, Blood & Valour
Gladiator- Designation
Killing Addiction- Omega Factor
Massacre- From Beyond
Death- Screaming Bloody Gore
Impetigo- Horror of the Zombies
Master- Master
Blasphemy- Fallen Angel of Doom
Cianide- A Decent Into Hell
Morbid Angel- Altars of Madness
Necrophagia- Season of the Dead

*not my favorite Carcass album, but the best death metal one

and then 5 old school death/thrash albums that are also essential in my opinion, but lean more towards the thrash spectrum:

Demolition Hammer- Epidemic of Violence
Megaslaughter- Calls from Beyond (kinda more death-y)
Energetic Krusher- Path to Oblivion
Blood Feast- Kill for Pleasure
Assorted Heap- The Experience of Horror

daimonos
08-10-2010, 08:44 PM
No Obituary or Suffocation?

Wizzbang11
08-10-2010, 08:45 PM
No Obituary or Suffocation?

Obituary-Eh, I prefer these.
Suffocation- Peaked at Human Waste, these are full lengths. Effigy would be a candidate I suppose.

daimonos
08-10-2010, 08:47 PM
Suffocation- Peaked at Human Waste, these are full lengths. Effigy would be a candidate I suppose.

You're nuts :lol:

Wizzbang11
08-10-2010, 08:50 PM
You're nuts :lol:

I fully enjoy Breeding the Spawn and Pierced too, but Human Waste is significantly better than all their other material. Way heavier & raw-er.

treghet
08-10-2010, 08:51 PM
The Prog/Power list made me remember that the "guide to old school death metal" list hasn't been made, and I didn't feel like waiting any longer, so I threw mine up.

Did you still want me to finish mine? I'm still adding albums to it... and changing around the top 100.

Wizzbang11
08-10-2010, 08:52 PM
Did you still want me to finish mine? I'm still adding albums to it... and changing around the top 100.

Sure. I just felt like adding mine.

daimonos
08-10-2010, 08:53 PM
I fully enjoy Breeding the Spawn and Pierced too, but Human Waste is significantly better than all their other material. Way heavier & raw-er.

So you're just talking production values more. Most of the songs on the EP were re-recorded in the next couple years, and Catatonia was on Despise the Sun.

But it's your list, and these are just my opinions ;)

treghet
08-10-2010, 08:58 PM
Sure. I just felt like adding mine.

I'm going to try to have it done by the end of the weekend then, or Monday at the latest. I just don't have too much time to work on it during the week, so I've been putting it off. :eyes:

DethMaiden
08-10-2010, 08:58 PM
*checks list for Necroticism*

*sees Necroticism*

Yep, this list is valid. :cool:

Wizzbang11
08-10-2010, 09:01 PM
So you're just talking production values more. Most of the songs on the EP were re-recorded in the next couple years, and Catatonia was on Despise the Sun.


I am aware, I prefer the HW versions ;)
The vocals are much better (I suppose better isn't the word, cooler, more violent sounding) and it gives off less of the technical clean vibe that Effigy has, which is still very little compared to modern suffocation. I prefer the thrashy old school raw sound in most of my death metal compared to the nicer, tighter, cleaner sound that most bands these days have.

mankvill
08-10-2010, 09:22 PM
Master- Master

Fuck year

DigMySpanky
08-11-2010, 06:15 AM
Good list.

Most of these are on my essential DM list that everybody hates lol.

The_jman
08-11-2010, 10:06 AM
Good list.

Most of these are on my essential DM list that everybody hates lol.
didn't most people hate your list because you said "Esential metal list?" and you only put death metal on it?

Natrlhi
08-12-2010, 08:21 AM
You forgot this:

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/0/1/2/1012.jpg

:nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Crionics
08-12-2010, 09:18 AM
and then 5 old school death/thrash albums that are also essential in my opinion, but lean more towards the thrash spectrum:

Demolition Hammer- Epidemic of Violence
Megaslaughter- Calls from Beyond (kinda more death-y)
Energetic Krusher- Path to Oblivion
Blood Feast- Kill for Pleasure
Assorted Heap- The Experience of Horror

You could say Morbid Saint's Spectrum of Death could be on this.

Wizzbang11
08-12-2010, 12:29 PM
You forgot this:

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/0/1/2/1012.jpg

:nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

I didn't forget it, like Obituary I felt it was not superior to the list :)

jhdeity
08-14-2010, 10:15 AM
Cool List. Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark would be #1 on my list

Natrlhi
08-14-2010, 07:39 PM
I didn't forget it, like Obituary I felt it was not superior to the list :)

You were correct about Obituary, but not Pestilence. That album was every bit as influential on the still-growing genre as Scream Bloody Gore, Altars of Madness or Realms of Chaos. Plus, that album is the reason Asphyx - which is on your list - became what they were.

Ask Martin van Drunen himself - he'll confirm it for you:
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_53d85d1f811c16e61458413c2b0f4fac.jpg
THE NAT IS RIGHT, FUCKFACE!!!


See, I told ya.

NecroRob
08-14-2010, 08:06 PM
Cool List. Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark would be #1 on my list

Not death metal broski.

Wizzbang11
08-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Ask Martin van Drunen himself - he'll confirm it for you:
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_53d85d1f811c16e61458413c2b0f4fac.jpg
THE NAT IS RIGHT, FUCKFACE!!!


See, I told ya.

Fuck, guess I'm wrong.

Leviathan
08-18-2010, 06:52 AM
Top 5 OSDM is definitely...

Entombed- Left Hand Path
Incantation- Onward to Golgotha
Dismember- Like an Everflowing Stream
Morbid Angel- Altars of Madness
Carcass- Symphonies of Sickness

I'm probably forgetting some but my favs are probably tied between Onward to Golgotha and Left Hand Path.

Onward to Golgotha is basically the most underrated death metal gem ever!

christopher
08-23-2010, 01:55 AM
HOW DARE YOU FORGET SEVEN CHURCHES BY POSSESSED!!! One of the best old school death metal albums ever!

I'm glad Pestilence was mentioned...

Also...

Vital Remains - Let Us Pray
Repulsion - Horrified
Sodom - In the Sign of Evil
Archgoat - Anglecunt
Sadistic Intent - Impending Doom

Wizzbang11
08-23-2010, 07:20 AM
HOW DARE YOU FORGET SEVEN CHURCHES BY POSSESSED!!! One of the best old school death metal albums ever!

I'm glad Pestilence was mentioned...

Also...

Vital Remains - Let Us Pray
Repulsion - Horrified
Sodom - In the Sign of Evil
Archgoat - Anglecunt
Sadistic Intent - Impending Doom

Possessed- don't get me wrong, it's good, I just for some reason identify it as a more death/thrash thing in my mind and tend not to lump it in with osdm.
(ironic because I made a death/thrash list, I know...)
Vital Remains- Only heard Dechristianize and Icons of Evil.
Sodom- One of my favorite bands(/releases) ever, not a death metal EP at all.
Archgoat- Didn't that come out in like 2000?
Sadistic Intent-Really good, but never listened to them enough.

Oh and I love Repulsion, but c'mon, that's grindcore all the way :)

jhdeity
08-23-2010, 11:06 AM
Not death metal broski.

We need to have a debate one day as to why Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness and Bathory - UTSOTBM are so different that they belong in different categories. 2 of my 10 favorite albums ever made and I got your broski right here short bus. hahaha

Seriously though I consider Bathory black metal but what about Black metal makes it non-death metal? The lyrics?

Wizzbang11
08-23-2010, 11:16 AM
We need to have a debate one day as to why Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness and Bathory - UTSOTBM are so different that they belong in different categories. 2 of my 10 favorite albums ever made and I got your broski right here short bus. hahaha

Seriously though I consider Bathory black metal but what about Black metal makes it non-death metal? The lyrics?

Really?
Ok, Bathory is extremely low fi, almost d-beat punky raw metal with simple dark guitar riffs, high distorted vocals that are lyrically based around satanic stuff.
Altars of Madness is insanely heavy, low, crushing yet clearly recorded death metal with intricate music, long complex songs and mid range vocals singing about satan.
Other than the fact that they are both 80's releases, are metal, and sing about satan they really are not at all in the same sub-genre of music.

christopher
08-23-2010, 11:30 AM
Possessed- don't get me wrong, it's good, I just for some reason identify it as a more death/thrash thing in my mind and tend not to lump it in with osdm.
(ironic because I made a death/thrash list, I know...)
Vital Remains- Only heard Dechristianize and Icons of Evil.
Sodom- One of my favorite bands(/releases) ever, not a death metal EP at all.
Archgoat- Didn't that come out in like 2000?
Sadistic Intent-Really good, but never listened to them enough.

Oh and I love Repulsion, but c'mon, that's grindcore all the way :)

I tend to lump the old school death/thrash and the old blackened death together a lot. But Possessed should always be on a list of top osdm bands.

If you haven't heard anything from Vital Remains other than the last two releases, then you are truly missing out. Thats some of their best shit right there.

Anglecunt came out in 1992. I know there is a big black metal sound in there, but it still has the death metal sound too.

jhdeity
08-23-2010, 11:40 AM
Really?
Ok, Bathory is extremely low fi, almost d-beat punky raw metal with simple dark guitar riffs, high distorted vocals that are lyrically based around satanic stuff.
Altars of Madness is insanely heavy, low, crushing yet clearly recorded death metal with intricate music, long complex songs and mid range vocals singing about satan.
Other than the fact that they are both 80's releases, are metal, and sing about satan they really are not at all in the same sub-genre of music.

Ok, I can agree with that. But then a band like Sodom who sings 80% about death/war and 20% about satan is considered black/thrash?

I'm just trying to figure out where/how these sub-genres were created and how the bands were put into their groups. Deathlike Silence, Chariots of Fire and Maze of Torment are back to back to back on a compliation cd I made years ago and as similar as they are to 98% of people they're in 3 different categories in all reality. Are these songs really that different in all reality? They're all 3 fast as hell.

treghet
08-23-2010, 12:06 PM
Ok, I can agree with that. But then a band like Sodom who sings 80% about death/war and 20% about satan is considered black/thrash?

The vocals are harsher than typical thrash bands. It more closely resembles black metal screaming. So, that's what makes Sodom and black/thrash band.

jhdeity
08-23-2010, 12:07 PM
I'm jamming this cd now. It's probably older than some people on here. So far it's:

Sodom - Deathlike Silence
Bathory - Chariots of Fire
Morbid Angel - Maze of Torment
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Cancer - Cancer Fucking Cancer
Sadus - Certain Death
Slayer - Jesus Saves
Testament - Apocalyptic City
Metallica - Metal Militia
Dark Angel - Merciless Death
Sepultura - Escape to the Void

It's called Thrash Mix so yeah if it was fast I thought it was thrash back then. Kinda funny now...

JRA
08-23-2010, 12:19 PM
Black metal is more lo-fi, more soaked in reverb and atmospheric. At least Under the Sign of the Black Mark is.

I think a better debate would be why Morbid Angel's Covenant and Immortal's At The Heart of Winter are in two different genres. Especially considering the production values are the same.

daimonos
08-23-2010, 12:55 PM
I think a better debate would be why Morbid Angel's Covenant and Immortal's At The Heart of Winter are in two different genres. Especially considering the production values are the same.

Is this sarcasm?

treghet
08-23-2010, 12:58 PM
An even better debate would be why are cats and dogs different animals. I mean, they both leave fur all over the house.

:tongue:

JRA
08-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Is this sarcasm?

half and half. :eyes:

They're both pretty hi-fi as far as I'm concerned.

treghet
08-23-2010, 02:05 PM
My point was that just because two things have something in common, it doesn't make them the same thing. Both albums are completely different.