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jerry1013
07-08-2010, 07:34 PM
Sorry Cavs fans......

evildeadjedi
07-08-2010, 07:47 PM
Natty are you still with us?

powerslave_85
07-08-2010, 08:00 PM
Move over, A-Rod! There's a new most hated man in pro sports!

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:02 PM
I can't even make myself hate him. The Cavaliers organization failed time and again to field the best team and put smart people on the coaching staff and in the front office. I'm sad, and I will root against the Heat out of spite, but LeBron isn't an enemy to me.

powerslave_85
07-08-2010, 08:16 PM
I can't even make myself hate him. The Cavaliers organization failed time and again to field the best team and put smart people on the coaching staff and in the front office. I'm sad, and I will root against the Heat out of spite, but LeBron isn't an enemy to me.
I think he did it in a fucking cowardly way, though. To go on TV and shove a knife in Cleveland's back like that was classless. Especially to go to a city where, by all accounts, no one gives a shit about sports.

The fact that I'm madder about this than you are is deeply confusing to me :lol:

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:20 PM
I think he did it in a fucking cowardly way, though. To go on TV and shove a knife in Cleveland's back like that was classless. Especially to go to a city where, by all accounts, no one gives a shit about sports.

The fact that I'm madder about this than you are is deeply confusing to me :lol:

When the Cavs play the Heat, I'm sure I'll be foaming at the mouth every time he scores, but right now, I guess I'm trying to keep a cool head. And yes, doing it on live TV was awful. If he went on live TV to say he was staying in Cleveland, it would have been totally okay because it's not like he owes Miami or Chicago or New York anything anyway, and they'd be disappointed, shrug, and walk away. But leaving Cleveland on TV...yeah, there were better ways to handle that.

Anyway, it's impossible not to make him seem like a villain, and I can understand that he wants to win a championship. It's not like the Heat could get past the Lakers anyway, even if they make it to the Finals.

powerslave_85
07-08-2010, 08:24 PM
I'm listening to Cleveland sports radio right now, and they just read an email sent out by the Cavs' owner, Dan Gilbert. The words "heartless," "coward," "selfish," and "narcissistic" were used, and he personally guaranteed that the Cavs would win a championship. Holy shit :lol:

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:26 PM
I'm listening to Cleveland sports radio right now, and they just read an email sent out by the Cavs' owner, Dan Gilbert. The words "heartless," "coward," "selfish," and "narcissistic" were used, and he personally guaranteed that the Cavs would win a championship. Holy shit :lol:

Yeah, I read the letter. It's downright vitriolic. Not only did he guarantee a championship, he guaranteed one before LeBron gets his first.

Uh, no. David Lee just signed with the Warriors and that means there's no free agents left except Shaq.

jerry1013
07-08-2010, 08:30 PM
Yeah, I read the letter. It's downright vitriolic. Not only did he guarantee a championship, he guaranteed one before LeBron gets his first.

Uh, no. David Lee just signed with the Warriors and that means there's no free agents left except Shaq.

Reports have him as saying he wants to be a Spur.

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:32 PM
Reports have him as saying he wants to be a Spur.

As a Spurs fan I'll be pissed unless they keep his minutes to like 5 a night. Ever since the Heat title he's just been making teams worse.

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:33 PM
Also: 3/5ths of Eastern Conference All-Star starters will be Heat players, I guarantee it. Real fair.

powerslave_85
07-08-2010, 08:33 PM
Yeah, I read the letter. It's downright vitriolic. Not only did he guarantee a championship, he guaranteed one before LeBron gets his first.

Uh, no. David Lee just signed with the Warriors and that means there's no free agents left except Shaq.
Just think what would happen if Gilbert comes through on that, though. He would be elected governor-for-life and a 500 foot solid gold statue of him would be erected in downtown Cleveland.

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:35 PM
Just think what would happen if Gilbert comes through on that, though. He would be elected governor-for-life and a 500 foot solid gold statue of him would be erected in downtown Cleveland.

:lol: I can't even imagine a scenario in which he pulls it off short of bombing the Heat practice facility while the team is there.

JLRedWing13
07-08-2010, 08:38 PM
Definitely a cop out by LeBron. He knows he can't win a title on his own, so he joins a superteam. Kobe or Jordan would never do that shit. They'd be like, fuck that, you have your teams, I'm going to get my own team and kick all of your asses. And that's what they did. Maybe I'm too much of a purist or something, but I think it's weak...

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:43 PM
Definitely a cop out by LeBron. He knows he can't win a title on his own, so he joins a superteam. Kobe or Jordan would never do that shit. They'd be like, fuck that, you have your teams, I'm going to get my own team and kick all of your asses. And that's what they did. Maybe I'm too much of a purist or something, but I think it's weak...

Kobe WAS the #2 guy on his first three championship teams, don't forget that. Jordan, sure. But let's drop the Jordan comparisons. No one is Jordan, nor will anyone ever be Jordan.

mankvill
07-08-2010, 08:44 PM
NBA still fucking sucks and is still mad fucking boring.

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:45 PM
NBA still fucking sucks and is still mad fucking boring.

gtfo of this thread then manktroll

JLRedWing13
07-08-2010, 08:46 PM
Kobe WAS the #2 guy on his first three championship teams, don't forget that. Jordan, sure. But let's drop the Jordan comparisons. No one is Jordan, nor will anyone ever be Jordan.

Kobe just proved he could do it as a #1 or a #2, which is why he is great. I'd never put LBJ even close to Jordan, but you know how ESPN will hype the shit out of this team now.

mankvill
07-08-2010, 08:50 PM
gtfo of this thread then manktroll

Sorry, i'm waiting for the next pornogrind band at this show to start

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 08:51 PM
Celtics just signed Jermaine O'Neal away from the Heat, and they just traded Michael Beasley to the Wolves. I might be alone on this one, but I think they just got even better without that dead weight. Nine minimum salary guys who play defense and work their asses off is way better than having either of those assholes who want to keep cornrows alive.

JLRedWing13
07-08-2010, 08:53 PM
Sorry, i'm waiting for the next pornogrind band at this show to start

:lol:

TonyD
07-08-2010, 09:45 PM
Also: 3/5ths of Eastern Conference All-Star starters will be Heat players, I guarantee it. Real fair.
That's pro sports, breh. I'm gonna have to start mentally preparing a year ahead of time to deal with Lincecum going to the Yankees.

NBA still fucking sucks and is still mad fucking boring.

This

powerslave_85
07-08-2010, 09:55 PM
Yeah, but the superstar mentality and culture is much more prevalent and important in the NBA then in any other pro sport.

DethMaiden
07-08-2010, 10:00 PM
Yeah, but the superstar mentality and culture is much more prevalent and important in the NBA then in any other pro sport.

I think that could have to do with how many guys per team matter, honestly.

On a baseball team, all eight batters need to be solid on defense and at the plate, and without at least three or four solid starting pitchers and a half-dozen reliable guys in your bullpen, you're toast. On a football team, you're looking at 22 guys who play half the game each, plus special teams is so vital for winning. Hockey, sure there's only six guys on the ice at once, but don't most teams want a solid backup goalie and three or four full lines of skaters?

In basketball, really only 10 guys play, and really only 8 of those have to contribute in any real way on a championship team. Hell, Ohio State had a six-man rotation last year and won the Big Ten. I think that kind of weight on the shoulders of the starters breeds some of that culture.

Derelict
07-09-2010, 04:15 AM
Dude's not a winner or a leader, and he definitely proved it. And if there were 8 minimum salary guys that worked their asses off, rebounded, and played defense, they'd be making more than minimum salary. Wade/LeBron/Bosh (who is exeptionally over rated) are each going to be playing a ton of minutes all year. I don't see this working, unless a patriots like situation develops, where good players are willing to take less money for a chance to win a title.

mastodon421
07-09-2010, 04:26 AM
This is going to be intresting to see how it plays out. I would be beyond happy if the Heat did not win a single title with the James/Wade/Bosh trio. In all honesty I don't even know if they can win a title with their current players I don't think they will be able to get much of a bench going and that could be the difference maker.

Natrlhi
07-09-2010, 06:14 AM
Natty are you still with us?Yup.

I can't even make myself hate him. The Cavaliers organization failed time and again to field the best team and put smart people on the coaching staff and in the front office. I'm sad, and I will root against the Heat out of spite, but LeBron isn't an enemy to me.This (although the way he did it was somewhat shitty, which was covered in other posts).

I don't see this working, unless a patriots like situation develops, where good players are willing to take less money for a chance to win a title.This. However, LeBron did say in his interviews last night that all three of them would be / are willing to take less money to make it work - although who knows what that actually means.

This is going to be intresting to see how it plays out. I would be beyond happy if the Heat did not win a single title with the James/Wade/Bosh trio. In all honesty I don't even know if they can win a title with their current players I don't think they will be able to get much of a bench going and that could be the difference maker....and this.

ChildrenofSodom
07-09-2010, 07:59 AM
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evildeadjedi
07-09-2010, 02:12 PM
I don't blame him for leaving and I figured he would but, the way he left was not necessary. He just should have told Cleveland after Game 5 "Look I love this city and these fans but, it's not working and I need to go elsewhere." Sure, it would have hurt but, it would have been better than last night.

Besides, everyone knows Miami fans are just Dolphins fans looking for air conditioning.

James is Commissioner Gordon. When he's in trouble, he'll sit back and call on the dynamic duo of Wade and Bosh.

jhdeity
07-09-2010, 03:03 PM
I personally love that ESPN is taking a wrath of shit over the whole 1-hour special. I refused to watch but I'm guessing it was worse than being subjected to Glee for an hour

mankvill
07-09-2010, 03:08 PM
LeBron announces he's leaving Cleveland to go to Miami: "OMG WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE, FUCKING KILL HIM!"

In an alternate universe, LeBron announces he's leaving Miami to go to Cleveland: "OMG FUCK YES THIS IS THE BEST NEWS FOR CLEVELAND EVER!"

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sDFoJ22sKY&feature=related

Blitzkrieg Witchcraft
07-09-2010, 04:05 PM
I wish nothing but failure for LeBron and the Heat.

Derelict
07-10-2010, 07:18 AM
Miami ended giving up 4 first round picks and two seconds in the sign and trades...good luck with that. I really like what chicago is doing

JLRedWing13
07-10-2010, 09:55 AM
Miami ended giving up 4 first round picks and two seconds in the sign and trades...good luck with that. I really like what chicago is doing

Yeah....Wade, LeBron, and Bosh may average 80 points a game combined...but there's only one ball. Who knows what will happen when one of them gets hurt, or they struggle.

Btw, anyone who calls Chris Bosh a superstar is an idiot. The dude has done absolutely nothing to merit that kind of praise or that kind of money.

jhdeity
07-10-2010, 10:25 AM
Yeah....Wade, LeBron, and Bosh may average 80 points a game combined...but there's only one ball. Who knows what will happen when one of them gets hurt, or they struggle.

Btw, anyone who calls Chris Bosh a superstar is an idiot. The dude has done absolutely nothing to merit that kind of praise or that kind of money.

He did average 24-11 with a block a game and is only 26. They're saying LeBron will average a triple-double for the season playing the Point Forward.

Personally I could care less. I hated the NBA before this farce and I'm totally done with it now. A total joke of a sport...

The NFL is King and always will be...

TonyD
07-10-2010, 10:55 AM
The NFL is King and always will be...

Yes. But it will never be our nations pastime :cool:

evildeadjedi
07-10-2010, 10:56 AM
The NFL is King and always will be...

^This, just about every team has a decent shot every year and pretty much every week counts.

DethMaiden
07-10-2010, 02:51 PM
Can't we just keep sports rivalry within the sport? I love the NBA, NFL, and MLB, and I don't go around trying to rank them.

mankvill
07-10-2010, 03:15 PM
triami heat

DethMaiden
07-10-2010, 03:16 PM
triami heat

The Three Miam-egos

Derelict
07-10-2010, 03:19 PM
Three Queens

Tres Amig-hos

mankvill
07-10-2010, 04:43 PM
Miami "God Damn Everyone Is So Butthurt" Heat

evildeadjedi
07-11-2010, 11:32 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2vn389m Ladies and Gentleman put your hands together for your Miami Heat!

DethMaiden
07-11-2010, 11:38 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2vn389m Ladies and Gentleman put your hands together for your Miami Heat!

:lol: :lol: :fist:

jhdeity
07-12-2010, 12:41 PM
Rolling Stone is horrific when it comes to music lists and reviewing albums but they write some great articles on everything else. Case in point:

"The Decision" was simultaneously the most painful and most hilarious television show I've seen in a long time. Its entertainment value rested almost entirely in its scope the same way a person goes to the Niagara Falls or to the Grand Canyon for that take-your-breath-away moment when the heretofore unimaginable vastness of the vista is first perceived, I watched "The Decision" in breathless awe of the sheer scale of the narcissism involved.

By any measure it was a landmark moment in the history of human self-involvement, eclipsing previous peaks in the narcissism Himalayas (Nero's impromptu fiddle concert as Rome burned, the career of the prophet Mohammed, Kim Jong Il publishing "The Popularity of Kim Jong Il") mainly because it was a collective effort. You can understand the citizens of Tsaritsyn cheering the decision to rename their city; if they didn't like "Stalingrad," they were getting lined up and shot.

But what was our excuse? The weird thing about this LeBron story is that seven or eight years ago, he seemed like a nice kid. All he did was step into a media machinery designed to create, reward, nurture, and worship self-obsessed assholes. He was raw clay when he went in, and now he's everything we ever wanted him to be a lost, attention-craving narcissistic monster who simultaneously despises and needs the slithering insect-mortals who by the millions are bent over licking his toes (represented in The Decision by the ball-less, drooling sycophant Jim Gray).

I'm sure there's a larger point to make in all of this about how the insane pathology behind the LeBron spectacle (read: a co-dependent need to worship insatiable media-attention hogs gone far off the rails of self-awareness) is what ultimately is going to destroy this country and leave us governed for all time by dingbat megalomaniacs like Sarah Palin. But for now I think it's important to just enjoy "The Decision" on a pure humor value basis, since we're unlikely to see anything that funny for a good long while. To me, the Top Five moments:

1. So here's LeBron James, sitting in a gymnasium full of children from the Boys and Girls Club, the charity that was to receive the proceeds from the event. Let's note the first thing: LeBron had a full hour to say anything he wanted, and might perhaps have used that time to talk about the Boys and Girls club, which was conceived for the express purpose of helping kids who don't have enough parental guidance kids like LeBron, for instance (whose biological father was an ex-con who was never there). LeBron instead chooses to have a show entirely about himself filled with navel-gazing commentators raving over his highlights, followed by Gray and his idiotic questions about whether or not LeBron bites his nails. Then, when Gray finally gets to a question about whether it might be hard to share the spotlight with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, LeBron answers, "It's not about sharing. You know, it's about everybody having they own spotlight." That's his message to the Boys and Girls of America: It's not about sharing! I exploded in laughter when he said this. Even funnier, nobody commented on it. I mean, what's the problem? The kids got the proceeds, didn't they?

2. The day after the show, I woke up and checked the Internet to see if "It's about everybody having they own spotlight" had already made Bartlett's quotations or something it seemed primed to be turned into a famous line that encapsulates the mood of a country for a whole decade, sort of like "Tune in, turn on, drop out" or "Greed is good." But when I Googled it, I found less than a full page of hits. Why? Because ESPN not only spent the whole evening shamelessly deep-throating LeBron, they fixed his grammar post-factum. In the official transcript, LeBron sounds not like stammering, uneducated buffoon he sounded like on live TV, but just like any other ordinary, more or less literate mass-media dickhead. Some of his malaprop gems will survive ("I want to win into the future"), but otherwise... apparently, fame is now its own spell-checker. Obviously this isn't all LeBron's fault the guy didn't go to college, after all, and he's not being paid to be a public speaker but this is part of the story, the fact that sports stars don't need to go to school really at all anymore and can get to the pros by going to sham high schools that exist solely to crank out basketball players. But even that part of the story gets whitewashed.

3. Gray isn't visible during most of the interview thank God but about five minutes into their talk LeBron glances down slightly, and suddenly I was conscious of feeling Gray's off-camera eyes locked on LeBron's crotch during LeBron's answers. I burst out laughing. Overall, the whole scene was an uncanny replay of the Hot Tub Time Machine sequence in which the balding white Rob Corddry is forced to suck off black comedian Craig Robinson after losing a football bet. This has to have been the absolute low point in the whole history of the "interview," right? Charlie Gibson's 2008 Bush interview is a candidate, I guess, but this has to be the worst ever especially when you throw in the fact that Gray was a) paid by LeBron to do the interview, and b) chosen because he has a "special sales relationship" with one of the sponsors, the University of Phoenix.

4. When Gray asks LeBron, "Was it always your plan to play with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh?" watch as he hedges for a second in between the words "Well," and "I mean," before answering, "Well, I mean, I'm looking forward to it. To say it was always in my plans, I can't say it was always in my plans because I never thought it was possible." In that one little hedging moment he starts, ever so slightly, to smile. And everybody knew what that smile meant: it meant, "What the fuck do you think? Of course, we've been planning this for years." So he smiles, giving the deal away completely, then instantly switches gears and just turbo-lies right into the camera. I thought: this is just like politics! A terrible, totally unskilled liar, telling a completely transparent lie, who then improbably gets let off the hook by the sycophantic moron interviewing him. What is it about this story we love so much?

5. The camerawork was spectacular. The slow zoom-in leading to the EXTREME LeBRON CLOSE-UP during the key question You've had everybody else biting their nails. So I guess it's time for them to stop chewing. The answer to the question everybody wants to know: LeBron, what's your decision? if you'd asked a great comic film director to spoof reality-show direction, that's what it would look like. But here's the question: was this a spoof of reality-show TV, was it reality-show TV, or was this a society that can no longer tell the difference? Several times during the ESPN broadcast I got the sense that the network itself had lost track of where "reality" was. Were we really supposed to believe that this thing wasn't decided ages ago, that Wade was seriously considering going to Chicago at one point, that the Knicks were ever in it, that LeBron was trying to convince Bosh to come to Cleveland? Of course not, it was all bullshit, designed to snare viewers, the grownups among us all know that. But the ESPN anchors looked like they were hanging desperately on every tweet, almost like they really believed this stuff. Poor Stuart Scott, he's been podded completely, if you chopped that dude's head off, nothing but little plastic balls containing digitized "Boo-yah" chips would fall out of his skull. It's the prototype for all future news coverage one or two dominant news networks pushing sensational fairy-tale versions of reality in a race for ad revenue, competing with a few scattered hacks on the Internet covering the much less important parallel "real story," i.e. the truth. In order for the networks to push their version most effectively, they have to genuinely believe that what they're spinning is real. Which is why you see them starting to mistake fake drama for real drama from time to time they're beginning to drown in their own bullshit.

Watch and see if that doesn't become the template for presidential campaign coverage in 2012. See if those reality-show zoom-ins don't start to creep into interviews with candidates. This is the beginning of our big Lost in Space journey together, where news and reality-show programming fuse completely and we all end up complete morons, voting strippers and X-games athletes into the White House. I'm psyched. Are you?

Dextrimental
07-12-2010, 06:12 PM
I say they should get Will Smith in to perform the song Miami at every game Miami play, and whenever LeBron scores a soundbyte comes on with the Miami chorus on it :D

JLRedWing13
07-12-2010, 06:13 PM
Epic win.:fingers:

InPatient5100
07-13-2010, 05:50 AM
:party:

Derelict
07-13-2010, 05:58 AM
^^^ Taibbi wrote that rolling stone article jh posted, that guy is the fucking man

jhdeity
07-13-2010, 02:42 PM
^^^ Taibbi wrote that rolling stone article jh posted, that guy is the fucking man

Yeah that's some great writing. Just when I thought it was winding down... BAM! Stuart Scott gets decapitated. Great shit!