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FelipeTheFornicator
06-13-2010, 08:20 AM
morning, guys!

well it would be safe to assume we all attend shows on a fairly regular basis, and the ticket pricing and systems have always been my nemesis, right from the first show i attended (Metallica in Bogota Colombia 1999) here in Canada it is a huge pain in the ass to get front row tickets... example: on the upcoming time machine tour RUSH is only selling those to their 'hardcore' fans that can shell out up to $300 for merchandise that doesnt really appeal to me and no hang out or meet and greet that im aware of... where on the other hand im seeing Canadian Carnage (got my ticket back in November when it was FIRST announced T_T) for around $90, front row and all, at the same venue as the rush show. my issue is the ticket handling (by the retailers and by whoever sets it up on theside of the band) because it is starting to be a little outrageous when it comes to prices and bang-for-the-buck so i was just wondering how you guys feel about this...

here's a piece that came out today here 'round my neck of the woods...and while i dont agree with some of the things he says, i do think he has a good point :)

http://www.lfpress.com/entertainment/music/2010/06/10/14349376.html

cheers!

DethMaiden
06-13-2010, 09:10 AM
I agree with some of this, but I think as a metal fan, very little of it applies. The only time any of this shit affects me is when Maiden comes around, and perhaps Rush (although I won't be able to see them this summer :(). He makes some good points, and yeah, if prices were reasonable, I'd go see Lady Gaga this summer, but they aren't, so I'm not. And if prices were reasonable, I'd be seeing Maiden from anywhere but the goddamn lawn. But they're not. I don't think this is a fixable problem when such greed exists, and such a poor understanding of business exists with it. They're basically saying "Less people are going to shows, let's raise the prices so the few who will go no matter what will give us more money." It's a shame, but it is what it is.

Again, fortunately, 97% of the shows I go to are no more than 25 bucks including all charges. It pays to be a fan of music that not everybody's a fan of. ;)

evildeadjedi
06-13-2010, 09:35 AM
I agree with some of this, but I think as a metal fan, very little of it applies. The only time any of this shit affects me is when Maiden comes around, and perhaps Rush (although I won't be able to see them this summer :(). He makes some good points, and yeah, if prices were reasonable, I'd go see Lady Gaga this summer, but they aren't, so I'm not. And if prices were reasonable, I'd be seeing Maiden from anywhere but the goddamn lawn. But they're not. I don't think this is a fixable problem when such greed exists, and such a poor understanding of business exists with it. They're basically saying "Less people are going to shows, let's raise the prices so the few who will go no matter what will give us more money." It's a shame, but it is what it is.

Again, fortunately, 97% of the shows I go to are no more than 25 bucks including all charges. It pays to be a fan of music that not everybody's a fan of. ;)

I agree on all points except I wouldn't go see Lady Gaga even if someone paid me. :lol:

Maiden33
06-13-2010, 09:52 AM
I agree on all points except I wouldn't go see Lady Gaga even if someone paid me. :lol:

Yeah, same here, haha.

It just kinda sucks that most of the shows I go to that aren't incredibly cheap are at venues where I have pretty much no way around paying service charges. So while a $20 ticket isn't much, the absolutely absurd $13 of "service charges" does make it a lot worse.

JLRedWing13
06-13-2010, 10:50 AM
Yeah, same here, haha.

It just kinda sucks that most of the shows I go to that aren't incredibly cheap are at venues where I have pretty much no way around paying service charges. So while a $20 ticket isn't much, the absolutely absurd $13 of "service charges" does make it a lot worse.

Yeah, the service charge for Maiden tickets was ridiculous.

But I would shell out any amount of money to see Rush...one of my favorite bands and they skip us for the first time in forever. :bouville:

IrritatedTrout
06-13-2010, 11:09 AM
Yeah, the service charge for Maiden tickets was ridiculous.

But I would shell out any amount of money to see Rush...one of my favorite bands and they skip us for the first time in forever. :bouville:

...travel to see them?

JLRedWing13
06-13-2010, 11:14 AM
...travel to see them?

Believe me, I've considered it, but I'm busy on all the three dates I could potentially go (The two Chicago dates and Columbus). So I'm SOL this time. Next year, I guess.

TonyD
06-13-2010, 05:43 PM
:lol: I think Lady Gaga is a legitimate artist even though she's the queen of Guidos, I've heard she puts on a really good show too.

Maiden33
06-13-2010, 07:48 PM
I am somewhat amused by the fact that I'm going further to see them just for the sake of getting the tickets I wanted - further than a lot of people who whine that Maiden aren't playing close enough to them, or wouldn't consider "traveling" to see them. There are two shows closer to me than the one I'm going to. :lol:

FelipeTheFornicator
06-13-2010, 08:25 PM
i had a bit of an issue with my maiden tickets too, both with the price and with the system... this whole paperless crap sucks.

id like to know how prices are set and what the bands really think... i think going to see acts like megadeth is a far better deal for your pocket than most comparable tours, they usually bring decent back up (gigantour/carnage/RIP) for a decent price. i paid roughly the same price for the same tickets to see Gigantour and RIP/Carnage that i paid to see Gunners, (and forget about Mayer or TCV) i feel the megadeth shows gave more bang for the buck (putting the discussion of whos better and all that aside) last year for Tool i paid something like 50 or 60 for lawn seats at the Molson Ampitheatre in Toronto and it wasnt bad but the closer spots were more than my usual $90-100 range... yet if you wanna go see Metallica, RUSH (or increasingly now Maiden) you have to shell out more for comparable spots. this apparent band or organizetion mentality towards us the fans reminds me of what JayJay French said (http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/05/11/is-it-really-difficult-for-even-legacy-acts-to-make-money-touring/) a few months back...

ahh and what also makes me question this ticketing business is that I'm seeing Maiden and Carnage at the same venue where rushh will play, the Apitheatre in TO, and for the same spots on all three shows the ticket price difference is between 20 to 200 bucks!!:confused:

InPatient5100
06-14-2010, 01:50 AM
Maiden - good band bro

Sanitarium78
06-14-2010, 08:43 AM
i had a bit of an issue with my maiden tickets too, both with the price and with the system... this whole paperless crap sucks.

ahh and what also makes me question this ticketing business is that I'm seeing Maiden and Carnage at the same venue where rushh will play, the Apitheatre in TO, and for the same spots on all three shows the ticket price difference is between 20 to 200 bucks!!:confused:

I don't have an issue with the price of my Maiden "tickets" because i've got them for the general admission pit section in front of the stage for the show I'm going to. So the almost $100 dollar price tag on each one is understandable to me.

What I do have an issue with is the whole paperless ticket bullshit. Instead of getting my Maiden tickets I have to wait until i'm at the venue the day of the show to even be sure I'm getting in:mad: I've never had to do this before in my 18 years of going to concerts. People have explained the whole system to me and it seems like there isn't much fault in it. But i'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little worried that i'm making a 3 hour trip to see Maiden without my ticket with me.

I'm seeing Rush next month and I paid $125 for my ticket. Rush and Maiden are just about the only two bands I don't mind paying this much for. Since they're my two favorite bands and you won't get a better show. The price difference with tickets even though it's in the same venue all has to do with the individual bands. Megadeth and Slayer, while very popular, aren't popular enough to charge the real big bucks. Rush and Maiden on the other hand are. It's also based on what each bands particular fanbase is willing to pay. I'm not sure if the bulk of Megadeth and Slayer fans will pay $100 bucks or better to see them. Unless it's some kind of special show. But I damn sure know a lot of Rush and Maiden fans will.

Some may say that tickets are too expensive but that's really all a matter of opinion on who you're going to see. If you think a band is worth the money than it isn't. But if you don't like them than it is too expensive. Bottom line, ticket prices are what they are and there's very little fans can really do to change that at all.

FelipeTheFornicator
06-14-2010, 11:45 AM
I don't have an issue with the price of my Maiden "tickets" because i've got them for the general admission pit section in front of the stage for the show I'm going to. So the almost $100 dollar price tag on each one is understandable to me.

yeah, mine are on the same section, and i too have beef with the paperless crap, i think they can find better ways to combat scalpers, issuing the tickets with spectator names printed, similar to what TCV did during their first tour... i dont know but this paperless thing doesnt make me feel too comfortable.

one of the reasons why i didnt get RUSH tix for the TO dates was the price-for-spot... the $125 ticket you got wouldn't have land you anywhere near the 'pit' but more towards the middle back of the first level bowl... i was psyched to see RUSH twice in a week or so span but ill settle for the ottawa show.

Indestructible
06-14-2010, 11:54 AM
i had a bit of an issue with my maiden tickets too, both with the price and with the system... this whole paperless crap sucks.



I dont like the paperless ticket thing etiher. Some people have to travel to see maiden. Say you drive 3+ hours to the venue to see them and something fucks up you cant get your ticket and you cant get into see the show. If that happens you should still find a way in.

TonyD
06-14-2010, 12:55 PM
More paranoid "what if" bitching about paperless tickets... :tp:

Maiden33
06-14-2010, 01:02 PM
More paranoid "what if" bitching about paperless tickets... :tp:

None of my previous bitching about tickets concerns "what ifs" - it's all legit problems with the system.

By the way, this system has completely fucked up Maiden's First to the Barrier contest.

I hope none of you that are planning on entering have more than 1 other person in your party, because if you do, and you have paperless tickets, you are shit outta luck.

Crionics
06-14-2010, 01:08 PM
None of my previous bitching about tickets concerns "what ifs" - it's all legit problems with the system.

By the way, this system has completely fucked up Maiden's First to the Barrier contest.

I hope none of you that are planning on entering have more than 1 other person in your party, because if you do, and you have paperless tickets, you are shit outta luck.

Stupid question but...Can you enter if you don't have pit tickets?

IrritatedTrout
06-14-2010, 01:09 PM
No.

Crionics
06-14-2010, 01:12 PM
Oh, dang, even if I had em I wouldn't be able to enter, I'm not in the FC...Next tour I should really join

TonyD
06-14-2010, 01:19 PM
None of my previous bitching about tickets concerns "what ifs" - it's all legit problems with the system.


Not directed at you.
Oh, dang, even if I had em I wouldn't be able to enter, I'm not in the FC...Next tour I should really join

You pretty much need to be in the FC to get pit tickets anyway.
Maiden - good band bro

:lol:

Sanitarium78
06-14-2010, 01:30 PM
I hope none of you that are planning on entering have more than 1 other person in your party, because if you do, and you have paperless tickets, you are shit outta luck.

I've got three other people going with me and we're in the pit. What exactly do you mean by this?

To TonyD: no i'm not in the fan club I just clicked the "best available" option the day the tickets went on sale and the pit tickets are what showed up. So I took them. Also, my worries about the paperless thing I believe are justified because i've never had to do it before at a show. Every show i've ever gone to i've had the ticket in my hand before I left my house. I don't think it's wrong to have some conserns, given the fact i've never been in this situation yet.

Indestructible
06-14-2010, 01:46 PM
I hope none of you that are planning on entering have more than 1 other person in your party, because if you do, and you have paperless tickets, you are shit outta luck.

I knew they would fuck something up with this paperless ticket thing.

TonyD
06-14-2010, 02:03 PM
I know there are occasionally pit tickets left over, for the SBIT tour I got my tickets at a ticketmaster outlet and was the second person there, the first person scored pit tickets but there were none left by the time I was up.
Trust me, as long as you have your credit card and ID, you'll be fine. I think Maiden33 is concerned about running straight to the rail after getting his tickets printed.

Maiden33
06-14-2010, 03:31 PM
Paperless Tickets / First to the Barrier issue:

-Paperless tickets dictate that everyone in your party must enter the venue at the same time.

-First to the Barrier dictates that the person who wins can bring just one guest with them.

So obviously the problem is that anyone who wins first to the Barrier with 3 or more tickets on their order/in their party is getting shafted because everyone has to enter at the same time.

Apparently some people have tried to sort it out, but those who have inquired directly with the venues have never been given a straight answer until it was too late.

Sanitarium78
06-14-2010, 03:43 PM
Paperless Tickets / First to the Barrier issue:

-Paperless tickets dictate that everyone in your party must enter the venue at the same time.

-First to the Barrier dictates that the person who wins can bring just one guest with them.

So obviously the problem is that anyone who wins first to the Barrier with 3 or more tickets on their order/in their party is getting shafted because everyone has to enter at the same time.

Apparently some people have tried to sort it out, but those who have inquired directly with the venues have never been given a straight answer until it was too late.

We will be entering the venue together so there's no issue there at all for me. Unless i'm not getting you're point here:confused:

Maiden33
06-14-2010, 03:50 PM
We will be entering the venue together so there's no issue there at all for me. Unless i'm not getting you're point here:confused:

If you win First to the Barrier, only you + ONE other person can enter the venue. If you have 3 or more people total in your party = problem.

Sanitarium78
06-14-2010, 04:18 PM
If you win First to the Barrier, only you + ONE other person can enter the venue. If you have 3 or more people total in your party = problem.

I've got four tickets for the pit as far as I know and that's it. I have no clue what this First to the Barrier thing is you're talking about. Please explain.

TonyD
06-14-2010, 04:19 PM
I've got four tickets for the pit as far as I know and that's it. I have no clue what this First to the Barrier thing is you're talking about. Please explain.

If you don't know what it is, you don't have to worry about it.
I thought you could only get 2 tickets through the Fan Club anyway?

Maiden33
06-14-2010, 04:38 PM
I've got four tickets for the pit as far as I know and that's it. I have no clue what this First to the Barrier thing is you're talking about. Please explain.

It's a fanclub contest. They draw X number of winners from all the people who have GA pit tickets to each given show. If you're not in the fanclub, disregard this.

If you don't know what it is, you don't have to worry about it.
I thought you could only get 2 tickets through the Fan Club anyway?

Nope, you can get 4. And judging by the amount of crap this is stirring up, a lot of people did.

I didn't though, just 2. So if there is a FTTB contest for my show, I have a much greater chance of winning. :D

TonyD
06-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Actually 4 makes sense now since they're pretty much dettered scalpers from getting a hold of tickets. That kinda sucks, but it's only a problem for the few people who are in the FC, bought 4 tix and won the contest.

Sanitarium78
06-14-2010, 04:56 PM
It's a fanclub contest. They draw X number of winners from all the people who have GA pit tickets to each given show. If you're not in the fanclub, disregard this.


But does that really matter since it's a GA pit? You can just move your way as close to the barrier as you want. I've never been in a pit at an amphitheater show, so I don't know how big they are or how many they hold? But i'm guessing it's not hard to get a good spot when you're so close like that.

TonyD
06-14-2010, 05:03 PM
The point of winning the contest is that you get there first and presumably stick there the whole night.

Maiden33
06-14-2010, 05:21 PM
But does that really matter since it's a GA pit? You can just move your way as close to the barrier as you want. I've never been in a pit at an amphitheater show, so I don't know how big they are or how many they hold? But i'm guessing it's not hard to get a good spot when you're so close like that.

Well, it's kind of hard to get any closer than 3 or 4 rows from the stage when you get in there after the First to the Barrier people, and they've packed themselves solid into 3 or 4 rows. I HATE people who show up later and then try to push through people to get closer. It is about the rudest thing in the entire world.

If I had to guess, I'd say the average amphitheater with a GA pit holds about 1,000 people. The FTTB compeitition would normally draw about 50-100ish names, so +1 guest, you're looking at about 100-200 people in before you, if you're at the front of the line without winning the contest.

Sanitarium78
06-14-2010, 05:48 PM
I HATE people who show up later and then try to push through people to get closer. It is about the rudest thing in the entire world.

If I had to guess, I'd say the average amphitheater with a GA pit holds about 1,000 people. The FTTB compeitition would normally draw about 50-100ish names, so +1 guest, you're looking at about 100-200 people in before you, if you're at the front of the line without winning the contest.

I don't mind if people move through to try and get closer when there's spots to be had closer up. It only pisses me off when everyone is packed back to back with nowhere to go and they try and push through:mad:

I doesn't really bother me where I am in the pit because the main point is that i'm in the pit:rocker:

InPatient5100
06-14-2010, 06:19 PM
ya def man