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Maiden33
04-30-2010, 08:40 PM
Interesting topic of discussion that I can't recall us ever having in a formal topic on here before. I'd say "metal", but then we get into technicalities of what is and isn't metal, and people are gonna cry about it - so whatever style of music you want.

Use best personal discretion for qualifications. I'll post mine later.

xStructualDefect
04-30-2010, 08:44 PM
Korn - s/t
Sonata Arctica - Ecliptica
Wintersun - s/t
Ensiferum - s/t
Static-X - Wisconsin Death Trip
Slipknot - s/t
Mors Principium Est - Inhumanity
Kalmah - Swamplord

jerry1013
04-30-2010, 08:52 PM
Van Halen I
Union
Black Sabbath

would be my top 3....

ADD
04-30-2010, 08:56 PM
A safe assumption would be that almost every band I dig I dig their debut album if nothing else, most bands put out 2-3 albums worth of essential material at best anyway, and more times than not its in the earlier part of their career. A few notable exceptions that took at least a couple albums to really come into their own are Thin Lizzy, Nazareth, Manilla Road, Uriah Heep, Accept, can't think of any great post-90 bands that didn't come out the gates swingin per se.

But to stay on topic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7c/Iron_Maiden_%28album%29_cover.jpg/200px-Iron_Maiden_%28album%29_cover.jpg

undergroundrage
04-30-2010, 08:57 PM
Top 3, for my money -
Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Rob Zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe
Pantera - Cowboys From Hell (well...if you don't count what they don't count, haha...)

Also:
Lazarus A.D. - The Onslaught
DevilDriver - DevilDriver
All Shall Perish - Hate, Malice, Revenge
Metallica - Kill Em All
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Divine Hersey - Bleed The Fifth
Cavalera Conspiracy - Inflikted
Lamb of God - New American Gospel
SlipKnot - SlipKnot

It's hard. Most bands don't start to have stand out albums until the 2nd or 3rd. Man if we did 'best 2nd album'...look out. That's an awesome list. Or 'major label debut'.

SirLardsAlot
04-30-2010, 09:02 PM
Top 5 in alphabetical, because it's too hard otherwise:


Bang Camaro - Bang Camaro
Boston - Boston
Dio - Holy Diver
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
Van Halen - Van Halen

Maiden33
04-30-2010, 09:03 PM
can't think of any great post-90 bands that didn't come out the gates swingin per se.

This brings up an interesting thought I had, more of an observation really, that today's bands sometimes really lack the "character development" that a lot of classic (or just pre 1995-ish) bands had. Most bands I listen to that have debuted in the past dozen years, their debut is one of if not easily their best record, whereas back in the 70s and 80s I think bands usually took a while to "find themselves", as well as acquire the budget and time to make a great album. Most old bands I like, my favorite record is usually like their 3rd one or so. Great debuts seemed to be more of a rarity back then, whereas bands these days tend to come out strong and then crap out and stagnate by their 3rd or 4th album.

ADD
04-30-2010, 09:03 PM
Top 5 in alphabetical, because it's too hard otherwise:


Bang Camaro - Bang Camaro
Boston - Boston
Dio - Holy Diver
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
Van Halen - Van Halen
How you gonna choose Bang Camaro over the first Angel Witch? :D

ADD
04-30-2010, 09:18 PM
This brings up an interesting thought I had, more of an observation really, that today's bands sometimes really lack the "character development" that a lot of classic (or just pre 1995-ish) bands had. Most bands I listen to that have debuted in the past dozen years, their debut is one of if not easily their best record, whereas back in the 70s and 80s I think bands usually took a while to "find themselves", as well as acquire the budget and time to make a great album. Most old bands I like, my favorite record is usually like their 3rd one or so. Great debuts seemed to be more of a rarity back then, whereas bands these days tend to come out strong and then crap out and stagnate by their 3rd or 4th album.
I think some of it has to do with back then the game was different in that there was less competition/saturation in all styles of music, which means you didn't have to stand out imemdiately, so if you were a band you could dedicate yourself to making music all the time and developing a sound as you develop your skills, whereas now "bands" usually start as the concept of one or 2 dudes who then fill out the group and its less of a band collaborating over a period of time eventually forming its own collective identity than it is the projection of one individual's vision (the band "leader" per se). The less cohesion there is means that bands fizzle out quicker, the creative mover burns out or exhausts their vision and can't find new inspiration, or the role players get tired and unmotivated, personalities and egos are already difficult enough to manage in a band construct as it is without having forged the lasting bonds of being poor and struggling to survive together, sucking at your instruments together, and eventually through hard work achieving higher levels of expression and in short better music. Today to stand out and get noticed you have to kickass right away, so there's less time/room for development, unless you don't care and choose to take the time to develop cohesion and a singular vision as a band rather than being a collection of individuals gathered to play songs written by primarily one or maybe 2 people with no one else really being emotionally or spiritually invested in it.

Natrlhi
04-30-2010, 10:26 PM
This is way, way, way, way, way, way, way too fucking hard. Let me just throw out a few off the top of my head, and I'll just be scratching the surface here:


Baroness - Red Album
Russian Circles - Enter
Giant Squid - Metridium Fields
Grayceon - Grayceon
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Cynic - Focus
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Red Sparowes - At the Soundless Dawn
Made Out of Babies - Trophy
Cormorant - Metazoa
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Mastodon - Remission
Cro-Mags - The Age of Quarrel
Caspian - The Four Trees
Red Fang - Red Fang
5ive - 5ive
Helms Alee - Night Terrors
Zozobra - Harmonic Tremors
Arsis - A Celebration of Guilt
Asschapel - Fire & Destruction
Carcass - Reek of Putrefaction
Napalm Death - Scum
Exodus - Bonded by Blood
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Landmine Marathon - Wounded
Struck by Lightning - Serpents
Dreaming Dead - Within One
The Crystal Method - Vegas
65daysofstatic - The Fall of Math
The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium
Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles
If These Trees Could Talk - If These Trees Could Talk
Mogwai - Young Team
Orbital - Orbital
Daft Punk - Homework


These are not in any type of order - I just numbered them to keep track of how many there were.

Yeah, this is way too fucking hard. Every one of the above albums totally rocks balls - and I'm sure there are dozens upon dozens that I'm forgetting...so fuggit - I'm done.

idrinkwine732
04-30-2010, 10:32 PM
Daft Punk - Homework

Serious props man, Daft Punk don't get enough credit for the shit they do.

Props also for Cormorant, Giant Squid, Mars Volta, Mastodon and the rest of your entire 10 also...

Natrlhi
04-30-2010, 10:33 PM
Serious props man, Daft Punk don't get enough credit for the shit they do.

Props also for Cormorant, Giant Squid, Mars Volta, Mastodon and the rest of your entire 10 also...

Why, spank you very much. :cool:

DethMaiden
05-01-2010, 01:50 AM
Waaaaaay too many.

My favorite might be Remission, though.

EDIT: Other notable ones: In the Court of the Crimson King, Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde, Red Album, Appetite for Destruction, Melissa, The Warning, Hellbilly Deluxe, Ecliptica, and, of course, Black Sabbath.

EDIT2: Well, shit. That accidentally lends itself to a nice clean top 10. Sooooo....

1. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
2. Mastodon - Remission
3. Guns n' Roses - Appetite for Destruction
4. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
5. Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde
6. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
7. Baroness - Red Album
8. Queensryche - The Warning
9. Sonata Arctica - Ecliptica
10. Rob Zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe

Sum'thin like that. A lot of my favorite bands - Maiden, Clutch, Opeth, Rush, My Dying Bride, Mouth of the Architect, Immortal, Carcass, etc. - took a while to hit their stride. Only Mastodon of my list would I consider an all-time fave.

mastodon421
05-01-2010, 04:55 AM
Here are my picks
1.Mastodon-Remission
2.Morbid Angel-Altars Of Madness
3.Rob Zombie-Hellbilly Deluxe
4.Death-Scream Bloody Gore
5.Dr.Dre-The Chronic
6.Metallica-Kill Em' All
7.Slipknot-Slipknot
8.Notorious B.I.G-Ready To Die
9.Exodus-Bonded By Blood
10.Disturbed-The Sickness

Crionics
05-01-2010, 05:43 AM
You know what, most of my favorite bands debut with my favorite album by them..

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 06:16 AM
Far, far, far too many to name.

GN'R - Appetite For Destruction
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Aerosmith - Aerosmith
Annihilator - Alice In Hell
Stuck Mojo - Snappin' Necks
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metalicus
KISS - KISS
Bigelf - Money Machine
Dio - Holy Diver
Goatsnake - Goatsnake Vol. 1
Destruction - Infernal Overkill
DoomDogs - DoomDogs
Nomad Son - First Light
Semlah - Semlah
Circle II Circle - Circle II Circle/Watching The Silence (title was different in different countries - I hate that)
Slave To The System - Slave To The System
Volbeat - The Strength/The Sound/The Songs
Skid Row - Skid Row
Witchcraft - Witchcraft
Thunder - Back Street Symphony
Union - Union
Firebird - Firebird

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 06:23 AM
Union

:rocker::rocker::rocker:

makethemsuffer12
05-01-2010, 06:23 AM
Van Halen - s/t
Metallica - Kill 'em All
Slayer - Show No Mercy
Warbringer - War Without End
Exodus - Bonded By Blood

Just to name a few.

jerry1013
05-01-2010, 07:33 AM
:rocker::rocker::rocker:

:horns:

I actually would rank Blue Room a head of it, still waiting on the reUnion album.

Maiden33
05-01-2010, 08:50 AM
Alright, time for me to finally post my list. Obviously most criteria is self-explanatory, but I really tried to stay away from bands that only have one or two albums, but a couple still made the list because I just love the albums THAT much. Generally I think in order to qualify for this list, the album still has to stand up to the band's best work at any point of their career, if it isn't their best work specifically, it has to be close.

These are listed alphabetically:

Angra - Angels Cry
Blaze - Silicon Messiah
Blue Murder - Blue Murder
Boston - Boston
Circle II Circle - Watching in Silence (Still my 2nd favorite album to be put out by any of the post-Savatage projects)
Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
Dio - Holy Diver
Dragonforce - Valley of the Damned (Don't like the band very much, but it's by far my favorite album of theirs, so it fits the bill perfectly)
Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite (Incredibly underrated amongst the band's own fans)
Dungeon - Resurrection
Enchant - Blueprint For the World
Hammerfall - Glory to the Brave
Hibria - Defying the Rules
Jag Panzer - Ample Destruction
Kansas - Kansas
Masterplan - Masterplan (One of my favorite albums of the past ten years)
Meat loaf - Bat Out of Hell (Undeniable classic)
Queensryche - The Warning (Definitely my favorite behind Mindcrime)
Sonata Arctica - Ecliptica (Still probably their best)
Tesla - Mechanical Resonance
Thunderstone - Thunderstone
Twilightning - Delerium Veil (One of the ten best traditional power metal records out there IMO)
WASP - WASP

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 09:03 AM
:horns:

I actually would rank Blue Room a head of it, still waiting on the reUnion album.

So would I. 'The Blue Room' is one of my favourite albums.

I'm still annoyed they didn't do a new one when they reunited in 2005. I did get to see them on that tour though, and I have the DVD :)

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 09:07 AM
Generally I think in order to qualify for this list, the album still has to stand up to the band's best work at any point of their career, if it isn't their best work specifically, it has to be close.

I didn't consider it in this way, because the question was favourite debuts, not bands who's debut album is (one of) their best.

Which is why I did include bands with only a couple of albums, if their debut really was damned good. And plenty of bands who have bettered their debut several times, but the debut is still a great album and better than most bands' debuts.

JuuKun
05-01-2010, 09:22 AM
After Forever - Prison of Desire
Angra - Angels Cry
Children of Bodom - Something Wild
KAT - 666
Morgana Lefay - Symphony of the Damned (I was wondering whether to put this or not. I haven't heard the original because only 537 vinyl copies were ever made, but then they re-recorded it while they were Lefay. I figure even though it's re-recorded, it's still the material from their debut, so it counts.)
Pagan's Mind - Infinity Divine
Primordial - Imrama
Skid Row - Skid Row
Tarot - The Spell of Iron
Wolverine - The Window Purpose

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 09:31 AM
Morgana Lefay - Symphony of the Damned
Wolverine - The Window Purpose

:horns:

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 09:32 AM
Blaze - Silicon Messiah
Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
Masterplan - Masterplan
Queensryche - The Warning

:horns:

JRA
05-01-2010, 12:01 PM
As opposed to half-length debuts?:tp:

Van Halen- Van Halen
Wu-Tang Clan- Enter The Wu-Tang
Black Sabbath- Black Sabbath
Exodus- Bonded By Blood
Slayer- Show No Mercy
Megadeth- Killing Is My Business
Metallica- Kill em All
Mercyful Fate- Melissa

Maiden33
05-01-2010, 12:02 PM
As opposed to half-length debuts?:tp:

As opposed bands that released EPs/splits as their first proper release. See: Queensryche.

:tp:

JRA
05-01-2010, 12:05 PM
As opposed bands that released EPs/splits as their first proper release. See: Queensryche.

:tp:

I always assumed that "albums" and "LPs" were mutually exclusive in modern day music discussion.

DethMaiden
05-01-2010, 12:06 PM
As opposed bands that released EPs/splits as their first proper release. See: Queensryche.

:tp:

Yeah, that was a perfectly reasonable qualifier. No less than four of my top ten debuted with something other than a full-length.

DethMaiden
05-01-2010, 12:06 PM
I always assumed that "albums" and "LPs" were mutually exclusive.

That means you always assumed that albums and LPs were different and something could never be both. Not sure that's what you mean to say.

JRA
05-01-2010, 12:07 PM
Fun fact: "Party In the USA" comes from an EP. :eyes:

SomewhereInTime72
05-01-2010, 12:16 PM
Foreigner - Foreigner
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Megadeth - Killing is my Business... and Business is Good!
Boston - Boston
Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Dio - Holy Diver
Dark Tranquillity - Skydancer
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
The Mothers of Invention - Freak Out!
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales

A lot more, but those are some of the first that come to mind.

Maiden33
05-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Foreigner - Foreigner

Should've probably been on my list.

Wizzbang11
05-01-2010, 12:31 PM
So is this favorite first LPs by a band, of favorite LPs by a band that were also their debut release?

Indestructible
05-01-2010, 12:43 PM
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
King Diamond - Fatal Potrait
Blizzard of Oz - Ozzy
The Sickness - Disturbed
Kill Em All - Metallica
Appitite For Destruction - Guns N' Roses
Nevermore - Nevermore
Fallen - Evanescence
Holy Diver - DIO

Wizzbang11
05-01-2010, 12:56 PM
You know what, most of my favorite bands debut with my favorite album by them..

Seconded.
GWAR(sort of), Carcass, Toxic Holocaust (ignoring the splits/singles/compilations), Cattle Decapitation, Witchfinder General, Impaled, GISM, Jungle Rot, Slayer etc.

SomewhereInTime72
05-01-2010, 01:04 PM
Should've probably been on my list.

Yeah, love that album. :D

ravenheart
05-01-2010, 01:28 PM
Witchfinder General

:horns:


And I forgot Captain Beyond from my list.

JRA
05-01-2010, 02:19 PM
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales


Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales

Hate to break it to you guys, but that's an EP.

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=3049

Wizzbang11
05-01-2010, 08:30 PM
Hate to break it to you guys, but that's an EP.

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=3049

Read your own link....
"The tracklisting below reflects the original European mini-album. The first
American release by Enigma/Metal Blade added two tracks, making Morbid Tales an
LP:
3. Dethroned Emperor (4:38)
4. Morbid Tales (3:29)"

I'm also adding Pentagram and Tank to my list.

EDIT:
So...

Toxic Holocaust-Evil Never Dies
GWAR-Hell-O
Carcass-Reek of Putrefaction
Misfits-Walk Among Us (first released)
Sodom-Obsessed by Cruelty
Mercyful Fate-Melissa
Witchfinder General-Death Penalty
Tank-Filth Hounds of Hades
Pentagram-Relentless
Cannibal Corpse-Eaten Back to Life
Napalm Death-Scum
GISM-Detestation
Massacre-From Beyond
Slayer-Show No Mercy
Venom-Welcome to Hell
Gorgoroth-Pentagram
Voivod-War and Pain
Blood Freak-Sleaze Merchants
Suffocation-Effigy of the Forgotten
Impaled-The Dead Shall Dead Remain
Warfare-Pure Filth
Onslaught-Power From Hell
Master-Master

mankvill
05-01-2010, 11:02 PM
de mysteriis dom sathanas

SomewhereInTime72
05-02-2010, 08:24 AM
Hate to break it to you guys, but that's an EP.

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=3049

Read your own link....
"The tracklisting below reflects the original European mini-album. The first
American release by Enigma/Metal Blade added two tracks, making Morbid Tales an
LP:
3. Dethroned Emperor (4:38)
4. Morbid Tales (3:29)"


Hmm, yeah this version was what I was thinking about. I guess it's still technically an EP though. But I mean, it's longer than Reign in Blood, so it feels like it should count. :lol:

JuuKun
05-03-2010, 03:48 PM
Fallen - Evanescence

No matter what Amy insists on saying these days, this is only their major label debut, NOT their debut album. Origin is 45 minutes long, has 10 songs, and was released on a proper label - limited number of copies or not, it's not a damn demo.

The Green and Black
05-04-2010, 09:16 AM
Angra - Angels Cry

Pleasantly surprised to see this one on your list! :party:

Great choices overall, especially the often overlooked Hibria and Twilightning!
Nice! I'll have to get working on my list. hmmm

Natrlhi
05-04-2010, 10:44 AM
Hate to break it to you guys, but that's an EP.

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=3049

I don't think that's accurate. Anyhow, I think Wizzbang clarified the issue well enough, but just in case, I would consider "To Mega Therion" to be just as awesome as "Morbid Tales", so whichever album you'll "allow", it belongs on this list. :eyes: :D

mankvill
05-04-2010, 11:22 AM
Dunno if it's been said yet, but Saint Vitus fer sher.