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JRA
02-10-2010, 08:10 AM
Blinded By Fear vs. Rebellion In Dreamland

In case you haven't heard either:

BBF:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF0U77bm9mc

RID:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeiX6bf2OPI

DethMaiden
02-10-2010, 08:12 AM
Probably can't conduct any kind of a litmus test with completely unrelated songs. In any case, Blinded By Fear is better. But it's pretty obvious that fans of death metal will choose BBF, and fans of power metal will choose RID. No ultimate truths will be revealed.

JRA
02-10-2010, 08:20 AM
Probably can't conduct any kind of a litmus test with completely unrelated songs. In any case, Blinded By Fear is better. But it's pretty obvious that fans of death metal will choose BBF, and fans of power metal will choose RID. No ultimate truths will be revealed.


The point is for them to be unrelated. Freebird and Stairway aren't related Besides doesn't mean we won't come across fans of both power metal and death metal.

Fe Maiden
02-10-2010, 09:38 AM
RID, I do not like the vocals in BBF:hecho:

Natrlhi
02-10-2010, 09:56 AM
Probably can't conduct any kind of a litmus test with completely unrelated songs. In any case, Blinded By Fear is better. But it's pretty obvious that fans of death metal will choose BBF, and fans of power metal will choose RID. No ultimate truths will be revealed.

This.

jhdeity
02-10-2010, 10:57 AM
BBF is brutal. RID is decent but the comments underneath are a total joke

ADD
02-10-2010, 11:51 AM
What does it reveal about your tastes if you think both songs suck old man balls?

DethMaiden
02-10-2010, 11:52 AM
What does it reveal about your tastes if you think both songs suck old man balls?

How do you not like Slaughter of the Soul? :hecho:

ADD
02-10-2010, 11:58 AM
How do you not like Slaughter of the Soul? :hecho:
All of that sound except the first 2 Dissection albums don't do it for me. Jester Race has some rad songs too I guess.

xStructualDefect
02-10-2010, 12:27 PM
BBF for sure. although i do like RID a lot too.

Maiden33
02-10-2010, 04:31 PM
RID is decent but the comments underneath are a total joke

Without reading them, how do comments on a video effect your opinion of a song?

JRA
02-10-2010, 04:32 PM
What does it reveal about your tastes if you think both songs suck old man balls?

it says that when pressed to choose between classical and punk sensiblities, you choose neither.

JuuKun
02-10-2010, 04:51 PM
Rebellion in Dreamland is one of my favorite Gamma Ray songs, versus Blinded by Fear, which is a good song but one of my least favorite ATG songs.

Rebelllion, definitely.

JRA
02-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Rebellion in Dreamland is one of my favorite Gamma Ray songs, versus Blinded by Fear, which is a good song but one of my least favorite ATG songs.

Somebody in At The Gates didn't like BBF either. Can't remember who it was.

Dextrimental
02-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Blinded By Fear. I don't like Gamma Ray, or most Power Metal for that matter. Therefore if you put almost any song against a Power Metal song it would win in my books. Of course this is totally subjective, but it is my opinion..

JRA
02-10-2010, 06:49 PM
See, when ADD did Freebird vs. Stairway, I thought he was just going "hay guys which one of these grtz gtr solo songs is btter?"

but then he posted this...

So lemme break it down for yall. If you chose Stairway you may tend to value in your rock: neoclassicism, non-standard time signatures, metaphorical lyrics, tenor/falsetto vocals, a sense of mystery and fantasy. If you chose Freebird you may tend to value in your rock: the blues, strong rhythm, visceral lyrics, baritone/mid-to-lower range vocals, a sense of nature relating to both urban and rural landscapes.

...which blew my mind. This was a really inspiring look at what music sensibilities we stick by when push come to shove. So when he did the metal test, I was so excited to see what he was gonna throw at us, only to be let down by another gay ass Megadeth vs. Metallica thread. I thought "fuck that, I could do way better." I actually agonized for 15 minutes in bed because I was trying to go to sleep and think of my choices at the same time.

The two choices I wanted were this: Choice one would essentially have more punk sensibility, choosing to sing about emotions and real issues, barking/screaming vocals for brutality, not so much focused on technical ability as much playing from the soul, and the songs were just short enough to give you just what you needed and then disappear in a flash.

The second choice would be to have more "true-metal (or neoclassical, I guess)" sensibilities, choosing to sing about more fantasy oriented lyrics than anything else, the consideration of technical ability being just as important as songwriting, not afraid to stack extra instrumental sections in their songs, and favoring vocalists who actually sing.

I didn't want to do 70's or 80's comparisons because I thought that would be too easy. So when I went for the 90's, I figured the songs that fit each description best were Blinded By Fear and Rebellion In Dreamland.

The more I think about it, maybe I should have done an 80's comparison instead (SOD vs. Helloween?), but at least I have my reasons.

jhdeity
02-10-2010, 08:57 PM
Without reading them, how do comments on a video effect your opinion of a song?

If you read them you wouldnt have had to ask. I word... Rayniacs

DethMaiden
02-10-2010, 09:00 PM
See, when ADD did Freebird vs. Stairway, I thought he was just going "hay guys which one of these grtz gtr solo songs is btter?"

but then he posted this...



...which blew my mind. This was a really inspiring look at what music sensibilities we stick by when push come to shove. So when he did the metal test, I was so excited to see what he was gonna throw at us, only to be let down by another gay ass Megadeth vs. Metallica thread. I thought "fuck that, I could do way better." I actually agonized for 15 minutes in bed because I was trying to go to sleep and think of my choices at the same time.

The two choices I wanted were this: Choice one would essentially have more punk sensibility, choosing to sing about emotions and real issues, barking/screaming vocals for brutality, not so much focused on technical ability as much playing from the soul, and the songs were just short enough to give you just what you needed and then disappear in a flash.

The second choice would be to have more "true-metal (or neoclassical, I guess)" sensibilities, choosing to sing about more fantasy oriented lyrics than anything else, the consideration of technical ability being just as important as songwriting, not afraid to stack extra instrumental sections in their songs, and favoring vocalists who actually sing.

I didn't want to do 70's or 80's comparisons because I thought that would be too easy. So when I went for the 90's, I figured the songs that fit each description best were Blinded By Fear and Rebellion In Dreamland.

The more I think about it, maybe I should have done an 80's comparison instead (SOD vs. Helloween?), but at least I have my reasons.

I feel like Stairway and Free Bird are similar enough and discussed in the same context enough and are from early enough on in rock history that it made sense. Not totally sure about this one. :hmm:

Dextrimental
02-10-2010, 09:09 PM
I agree with the sensibilities, but with this kind of comparison, you would have been better with an eighties selection, as those songs would be more appealing across the board. As I said, I dislike Power Metal, but I like Helloween alot more than Gamma Ray, so the comparison would be alot more fair if you chose your song from keeper of the 7 keys for the neo-classical sensibilities, then chose, say, Seasons in the Abyss by Slayer for the punk sensuibilities. This is just off tyhe top of my head but I think you get my point.

IrritatedTrout
02-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Rebellion in Dreamland for me.