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ravenheart
12-20-2009, 11:58 AM
Erm, not sure about this...

It's not bad... but it's pretty preachy.

http://www.sons-of-liberty.net/

You get a 96kbps version of the album free when you join the mailing list, and can buy a 256kpbs version for $8, which is of course not worth it. If digital music isn't lossless, it's worthless.

SomewhereInTime72
12-20-2009, 02:20 PM
I just tried listening to this. I couldn't even finish the second song. It's the same bullshit that has made newer Iced Earth seem so stale, except without the brilliant vocals of Barlow or Ripper. And the lyrics are so bad that I wish they were in another language so I wouldn't be able to understand them. Pretty pathetic. :hmm:

Div
12-20-2009, 03:46 PM
It's not bad... but it's pretty preachy.



this is how i felt. its definitely better than the other recent iced earth albums. however due to the extreme political views expressed in here its easy to understand why it can polarize and alienate the listeners. i like the first and last songs the best. but glorious burden definitely was better.

Indestructible
12-20-2009, 04:09 PM
Im definetly downloading this. im into these conspiracy theorys.

ravenheart
12-20-2009, 04:46 PM
Im definetly downloading this. im into these conspiracy theorys.

No conspiracy theories here. Just Schaffer whinging about being screwed by the Government.

Maiden33
12-20-2009, 04:46 PM
Im definetly downloading this. im into these conspiracy theorys.

This isn't really conspiracy theory-related as much as it is a right-wing polarizing bullshit agenda. I can't stand preachy music, no matter what it's preaching about. I will probably hear one song so I know what I'm missing, but I have a feeling some of the lyrical content here would downright piss me off, and I don't need to endure that to listen to substandard music.

Indestructible
12-20-2009, 05:14 PM
No conspiracy theories here. Just Schaffer whinging about being screwed by the Government.

I know they arent conspiracies alot of them make sense to me. Instead of rejecting something the second you hear it do the reasearch and form your own thoughts. View the site watch the 4 part alex Jones interviews.

http://www.sons-of-liberty.net/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXcGIjGGdGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h7Fx_NJIJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLyxLM_sAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1M3_I-sP8g

ravenheart
12-20-2009, 05:18 PM
I know they arent conspiracies alot of them make sense to me. Instead of rejecting something the second you hear it do the reasearch and form your own thoughts. View the site watch the 4 part alex Jones interviews.

http://www.sons-of-liberty.net/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXcGIjGGdGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h7Fx_NJIJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLyxLM_sAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1M3_I-sP8g

Have done. Still don't care.

DethMaiden
12-20-2009, 05:41 PM
I know they arent conspiracies alot of them make sense to me. Instead of rejecting something the second you hear it do the reasearch and form your own thoughts. View the site watch the 4 part alex Jones interviews.

http://www.sons-of-liberty.net/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXcGIjGGdGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h7Fx_NJIJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLyxLM_sAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1M3_I-sP8g

Dude, no offense, but you're a kid, and based on your spelling and grammar, not a very smart one. You can't possibly wrap your head around every aspect of what the government does or why, and nutjobs like Alex Jones want your feeble mind to exploit so they can create a segment of the population that jumps down the government's throat anytime anything happens to validate their own pathetic worldview. Conspiracy theorists aren't really qualified to comment on anything they comment on. Open your eyes before it's too late.

ChildrenofSodom
12-20-2009, 05:42 PM
I know they arent conspiracies alot of them make sense to me. Instead of rejecting something the second you hear it do the reasearch and form your own thoughts. View the site watch the 4 part alex Jones interviews.

http://www.sons-of-liberty.net/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXcGIjGGdGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h7Fx_NJIJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLyxLM_sAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1M3_I-sP8g

Jesus Christ dude, are you kidding me?

This isn't really conspiracy theory-related as much as it is a right-wing polarizing bullshit agenda.
One in the same.

And its 100% conspiracy theories. Quoting the founding fathers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, false flag stuff, New World Order, Taxation=slavery...its all paranoid, far right conspiracy theories. I used to throw that shit out of my mouth a few years ago....Very little truth to any of it. I knew Jon was patriotic (I mean, listen to Glorious Burden, plus he owns a Civil War memorabilia store), but he has taken after the GOP and ran to the Right side of things.

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Good music though.

Maiden33
12-20-2009, 05:43 PM
Dude, no offense, but you're a kid, and based on your spelling and grammar, not a very smart one. You can't possibly wrap your head around every aspect of what the government does or why, and nutjobs like Alex Jones want your feeble mind to exploit so they can create a segment of the population that jumps down the government's throat anytime anything happens to validate their own pathetic worldview. Conspiracy theorists aren't really qualified to comment on anything they comment on. Open your eyes before it's too late.

But da goverment is trying 2 enslave us n make us all der bitches. Im gittin tiredd of tyranny n such. Their all out 2 git us, ya no?

ChildrenofSodom
12-20-2009, 05:50 PM
"The answer to 1984 is 1776"

That is a fucking bumper sticker slogan. Founder-worship is the dumbest thing ever.

Div
12-20-2009, 10:19 PM
whats interesting is when you approach this from a sociological viewpoint.
the chart below graphs the opinions and comments posted in this thread so far by all parties involved.


http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e0/Hurrdurrgraph.png

maidenpriest
12-21-2009, 02:47 AM
But da goverment is trying 2 enslave us n make us all der bitches. Im gittin tiredd of tyranny n such. Their all out 2 git us, ya no?

:lol::lol::lol:

Indestructible
12-21-2009, 03:13 PM
Have done. Still don't care.

Atleast you looked at it.

Im not trying to force anything on anyone but I think the info should be looked at before rejecting it. Ive seen people they are so quick to reject everything before they even glance at the information there. Alex Jones anyone you call a conspiracy theorist. What they say makes more since then anything reported on mainstream news.

Sanitarium78
12-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Atleast you looked at it.

Im not trying to force anything on anyone but I think the info should be looked at before rejecting it. Ive seen people they are so quick to reject everything before they even glance at the information there. Alex Jones anyone you call a conspiracy theorist. What they say makes more since then anything reported on mainstream news.

Dude, just shut up about the whole conspiracy theory stuff. Everyone has their beliefs and i'm sure there's a lot of stuff the government keeps from us. You just gotta keep that stuff to yourself because once you start telling everyone to check this or that out, especially when it comes to conspiracies, you're gonna piss a lot of people off and alienate a lot of people because they won't wanna talk to you anymore. Just trying to help you out here a little before you get far into this shit and before you know it you won't even be trusting family and friends because you let this stuff take over your life.

Back to the topic now. As far as SOL goes who really cares? It's just Schaffer's side project and as long as Iced Earth is his main focus and he doesn't turn IE into anything like this everything will be fine as far as i'm conserned.

Indestructible
12-21-2009, 04:08 PM
Im interested in hearing this I'll try and download it soon.

ChildrenofSodom
12-21-2009, 06:33 PM
Im not trying to force anything on anyone but I think the info should be looked at before rejecting it. Ive seen people they are so quick to reject everything before they even glance at the information there. Alex Jones anyone you call a conspiracy theorist. What they say makes more since then anything reported on mainstream news.

Mainstream (network, i assume you mean) news IS garbage for the most part.....but garbage at a different point along the spectrum is still garbage. On the flip side of what you're saying, there are people who don't know anything about economics, government, or American history that hear "The government is trying enslave you with the shackles of taxation", they get scared, and they believe whatever that person tells them.

Bloodcurse
12-21-2009, 08:30 PM
I love the music AND the message...but then again I'm a HARDCORE Republican.

SomewhereInTime72
12-22-2009, 12:59 AM
Atleast you looked at it.

Im not trying to force anything on anyone but I think the info should be looked at before rejecting it. Ive seen people they are so quick to reject everything before they even glance at the information there. Alex Jones anyone you call a conspiracy theorist. What they say makes more since then anything reported on mainstream news.

I'm kind of on your side here. As bullshit as I think all of this is, I think it's better to be looked into at least once... although it's possible I only think this because I'm in an altered state currently.

edit: I disagree about it making more sense than mainstream news though. 'reported news' is basically facts, and things like this are just ways of interpreting them. the main problem with this is nowadays many "news shows" are really talk shows that discuss opinions and interpretations of available knowledge, rather than just raw news, which makes it feel like the 'news' is pushing a certain interpretation - which, whether you agree with what's being 'pushed' or not, really sucks major donkey dong

Maiden33
12-22-2009, 09:26 AM
edit: I disagree about it making more sense than mainstream news though. 'reported news' is basically facts, and things like this are just ways of interpreting them. the main problem with this is nowadays many "news shows" are really talk shows that discuss opinions and interpretations of available knowledge, rather than just raw news, which makes it feel like the 'news' is pushing a certain interpretation - which, whether you agree with what's being 'pushed' or not, really sucks major donkey dong

Agreed.

Indestructible
12-22-2009, 09:47 AM
I'm kind of on your side here. As bullshit as I think all of this is, I think it's better to be looked into at least once... although it's possible I only think this because I'm in an altered state currently.

edit: I disagree about it making more sense than mainstream news though. 'reported news' is basically facts, and things like this are just ways of interpreting them. the main problem with this is nowadays many "news shows" are really talk shows that discuss opinions and interpretations of available knowledge, rather than just raw news, which makes it feel like the 'news' is pushing a certain interpretation - which, whether you agree with what's being 'pushed' or not, really sucks major donkey dong

Sometimes I just feel that mainstream news reports nothing but bullshit. It might not be lies but I feel with somethings they report there has to be more important things going on in the world to tell us. Im going to check this out I like what schaffer is doing with this band.

SirLardsAlot
12-22-2009, 09:53 AM
What is music?

Maiden33
12-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Im going to check this out I like what schaffer is doing with this band.

Alright, we get it. You've said you're interested in this like 4 times.

PowerMaiden
12-26-2009, 08:48 PM
last couple of Iced Earth cd's sucked big time imho



not interested in his solo stuff




Cheers !
PowerMaiden