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ravenheart
12-12-2009, 11:15 AM
Revealing one album a day Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles (the best place for metal news - fuck Blabbermouth and all it's trendy follows) are doing a top 30 for the year. Here's what they've done so far:

30. Devin Townsend - Addicted
29. God Dethroned - Passiondale
28. KISS - Sonic Boom
27. Gorgoroth - Quantos Possunt Ad Satanitatem Trahunt
26. Cheap Trick - The Latest
25. Ex-Deo - Romulus
24. Swallow The Sun - New Moon
23. Katatonia - Night Is The New Day
22. Kreator - Hordes of Chaos
21. Asphyx - Death... The Brutal Way
20. Goatwhore - Carving Out The Eyes of God
19. Vader - Necropolis

ravenheart
12-13-2009, 09:01 AM
18. Chickenfoot - Chickenfoot

Maiden33
12-13-2009, 12:00 PM
I agree that as far as quality of bands and news itself is concerned, BW&BK is infinitely superior to Blabbermouth. My issue with it is that sometimes there's just shit that they miss that I care about, and are a little slower at reporting than Blabbermouth. I basically just use both websites. I check Blabbermouth once every few hours typically (basically each time I get on the computer), and BW&BK once a day, maybe every other day.

mankvill
12-13-2009, 12:51 PM
18. Chickenfoot - Chickenfoot

:dorky:

jhdeity
12-13-2009, 02:39 PM
Chickenfoot was definitely one of the 3 worst cd's I listened to all year. Bad, bad, bad music. WTF are they thinking?

ravenheart
12-13-2009, 03:12 PM
I agree that as far as quality of bands and news itself is concerned, BW&BK is infinitely superior to Blabbermouth. My issue with it is that sometimes there's just shit that they miss that I care about, and are a little slower at reporting than Blabbermouth. I basically just use both websites. I check Blabbermouth once every few hours typically (basically each time I get on the computer), and BW&BK once a day, maybe every other day.

I do get annoyed with them when they a) report things they've already reported, or b) report things that are plain wrong just because someone emailed it in.

Their basic problem, which is why things are wrong, repeated or late, is that they do very little to actually find anything out. They rely entirely on being sent things, by PR, management, bands, labels or fans, and don't do any investigation of their own. If they did, there'd be no place for Blabbermouth and its juvenile bullshit.

davidis138
12-13-2009, 07:06 PM
Chickenfoot was definitely one of the 3 worst cd's I listened to all year. Bad, bad, bad music. WTF are they thinking?

If we put this guy who plays a mean guitar and these 2 who were in Van Halen...we might have something here...maybe...:eyes:

ravenheart
12-18-2009, 08:37 AM
17. Brutal Truth - Evolution Through Revolution
16. Cannibal Corpse - Evisceration
15. Mastodon - Crack The Skye
14. Porcupine Tree - The Incident
13. Candlemass - Death Magic Doom

ravenheart
12-29-2009, 07:58 AM
12. Amorphis – Skyforger
11. Sacrifice – The Ones I Condemn
10. Voivod – Infini
9. Heaven and Hell – The Devil You Know
8. Alice in Chains – Black Gives Way To Blue
7. Nile – Those Whom The Gods Detest
6. Hypocrisy – A Taste of Extreme Divinity
5. Behemoth - Evangelion
4. Slayer - World Painted Blood
3. Napalm Death - Time Waits For No Slave
2. Immortal – All Shall Fall

Bets on the winner? They're big Megadeth fans...

DethMaiden
12-29-2009, 08:11 AM
12. Amorphis Skyforger
11. Sacrifice The Ones I Condemn
10. Voivod Infini
9. Heaven and Hell The Devil You Know
8. Alice in Chains Black Gives Way To Blue
7. Nile Those Whom The Gods Detest
6. Hypocrisy A Taste of Extreme Divinity
5. Behemoth - Evangelion
4. Slayer - World Painted Blood
3. Napalm Death - Time Waits For No Slave
2. Immortal All Shall Fall

Bets on the winner? They're big Megadeth fans...

Yeah, if you've stuck with Megadeth over the last ten years, Endgame is practically a reward, so I'll agree with that.

But still, yet another publication giving Slayer so much credit for WPB. I don't get it. You guys are all encouraging mediocrity!

ravenheart
12-29-2009, 08:59 AM
Yeah, if you've stuck with Megadeth over the last ten years, Endgame is practically a reward, so I'll agree with that.

But still, yet another publication giving Slayer so much credit for WPB. I don't get it. You guys are all encouraging mediocrity!

I love Megadeth, but I personally don't get the fuss over Endgame. It was one of 8 or 9 CDs I got at Christmas and I was expecting it to be the best, but it's really not. Great leads, OK riffs, but Mustaine is still favouring convoluted lyrics over vocal melody, which makes all of the songs very similar, and really quite boring.

jhdeity
12-30-2009, 06:17 AM
I love Megadeth, but I personally don't get the fuss over Endgame. It was one of 8 or 9 CDs I got at Christmas and I was expecting it to be the best, but it's really not. Great leads, OK riffs, but Mustaine is still favouring convoluted lyrics over vocal melody, which makes all of the songs very similar, and really quite boring.

We've agreed on 3 or 4 things all year and this is one of them. For people who worship Endgame to call WPB mediocre is laughable. While each cd has 3 or 4 great songs at least Slayer has some other gems in there. Some of the lyrics and plodding music on Endgame is terrible. At least the bad Slayer songs are funny or fun. The bad songs on Endgame are just boring and dumb.

It's still their best cd in years but would it kill them to cut the fodder or at least throw some time changes or vocal melodies in the boring songs?

SomewhereInTime72
12-30-2009, 10:32 AM
We've agreed on 3 or 4 things all year and this is one of them. For people who worship Endgame to call WPB mediocre is laughable. While each cd has 3 or 4 great songs at least Slayer has some other gems in there. Some of the lyrics and plodding music on Endgame is terrible. At least the bad Slayer songs are funny or fun. The bad songs on Endgame are just boring and dumb.

It's still their best cd in years but would it kill them to cut the fodder or at least throw some time changes or vocal melodies in the boring songs?

Actually, I would argue that for people to call WPB anything less than terrible is hilarious.

ravenheart
12-30-2009, 11:16 AM
Actually, I would argue that for people to call WPB anything less than terrible is hilarious.

No comment. Haven't heard it.

DethMaiden
12-30-2009, 04:30 PM
Actually, I would argue that for people to call WPB anything less than terrible is hilarious.

:fist: World Painted Blood is terrible, and Endgame is threatening to crack my top 15 (if not for Bite the Hand...what the fuck).

PowerMaiden
12-30-2009, 07:14 PM
World Painted Blood is a masterpiece imho



happy new year !



Cheers !
PowerMaiden

Natrlhi
12-30-2009, 10:56 PM
:fist: World Painted Blood is terrible

World Painted Blood is a masterpiece
Have either one of you ever heard of this place called "middle ground"? It's a place where you don't take the most extreme stance possible on something, and find a little gray in the world. Incidentally, it's also where most of the truth actually lives. Very rarely are the polar extremes and reality the same thing.

@Brad: WPB is not fucking horrible. That's just your extreme distaste for Slayer post-South of Heaven talking. Get over it. You're missing out on a lot of good Slayer...for example, GHUA, which was absolutely brutal.

@PowerMaiden: It's good, but it ain't that good.

Sheesh, you guys. Fuck.




Sorry, I just got worked up by all the super-polarized statements I've been reading on here tonight [shuffles off to yell at Ravenheart and Maiden33 for claiming to like only 29 or 7 songs in a list of 600...I don't care if it's a list of country music songs - are you guys really that obtuse? :rolleyes:]

ravenheart
12-31-2009, 04:17 AM
[shuffles off to yell at Ravenheart and Maiden33 for claiming to like only 29 or 7 songs in a list of 600...I don't care if it's a list of country music songs - are you guys really that obtuse? :rolleyes:]

Nope. And if it were country I'd like more of them. I hate pop, and I hate indie. Seriously. If no one ever made an indie song again I'd be very happy.

I also don't like some of the huge bands everyone feels obligated to like. The Stones, Beatles, etc. I like a handful of Who songs, but none of those have come up yet.

There's no blues in the list, so that takes out a huge chunk of what I like.

The rest is derivative chart music. I don't see why I should say "yeah, that's a good song" because it's popular and it will make me look like I'm not one of "those guys" who thinks the World begins and ends with metal. I think it begins and ends with good songs, and most of those are not good songs. They're either popular songs, or "this minute" songs, and neither of those things are necessarily the same as good.

Anyone else pick out the Depeche Mode and Paul Weller tracks? Or would that be too obtuse? :tp:

ravenheart
12-31-2009, 04:17 AM
BW&BK number 1 is Endgame, by the way.

Natrlhi
12-31-2009, 07:57 AM
OK, let me put it this way. I've noticed a pretty disturbing trend on this board over the last few months (and let's be honest...it's probably always been the case to one extent or the other), for people to notice the smallest defect in a group's output over a certain time period (Slayer and Metallica in the late 90's and early 00's, for example), and just pile on the collective bandwagon of ripping on them forever and ever, dismissing all the work that they did during said era and everything they will ever do again.

I just think this is nothing but trend-following, close-minded nonsense. I'm sorry, but every band, everywhere, regardless of genre or popular status, puts out a crap album once in a while...INCLUDING THE ALMIGHTY IRON MAIDEN (yeah, I said it).

Get off your high horses already and listen to each album, each song, on its own merit. Does it entertain you? Honestly? If not, then just move on. Listen to something else. Maybe give the band another chance down the line, though - especially if you found a whole lot to like at one time.

I just can't stand all the grandstanding going on around here sometimes. People seem to very easily fall into the easy pattern of ripping on things other people seem to want to rip on, and sometimes I just think it's because they can, or to get attention or to seem like they know something about something, when if they are half as smart as they think they are, they would realize that all the snootiness about music that's "beneath them" just makes them come off looking pretentious, arrogant or just plain bitchy.

I'm not necessarily directing these comments at anyone in particular (although I could think of a few folks to which they apply very well, especially as of late), but more trying to express an alternative opinion that, although no one should feel "obligated" to like something because others do, they should also try to maybe not stand around being negative about stuff because other people are doing the same thing, too. That's being just as much of a follower as one of the so-called "mindless sheep" who listen to that oh-so-evil, oh-so-ridiculous genre called "pop" (GASP!) once in a great while.

I love the fuck out of metal. I always will. There's lots of stuff I don't like. I express that every once in a while - but I don't stand around being a Negative Nancy all the time becuase it makes people pay attention to me or think I'm smart. If I like a pop sog, I'll admit it - I've got nothing to hide. What I don't want to ever happen is to die from internal hemmorhaging because of the stick jammed up my ass.

I like to keep my options open - that way, I get to enjoy a whole lot more in life. That's all I'm saying.

The bottom line: Disagreeing with trends or the status quo every once in a while is fine, especially if you make good arguments. Being a negative bitch all the time because you think it makes you look cool or smart just makes you look like an ass.

(Above comment directed at no one in particular - honestly - just think about it, is all I humbly ask.)

es156
12-31-2009, 08:41 AM
I'm sorry, but every band, everywhere, regardless of genre or popular status, puts out a crap album once in a while...INCLUDING THE ALMIGHTY IRON MAIDEN (yeah, I said it).

:mad: :mad:



What I don't want to ever happen is to die from internal hemmorhaging because of the stick jammed up my ass.


:lol:

SomewhereInTime72
12-31-2009, 09:36 AM
Nope. And if it were country I'd like more of them. I hate pop, and I hate indie. Seriously. If no one ever made an indie song again I'd be very happy.

But Indie isn't really a genre. :eyes: How can you hate something that doesn't even have like, a defined sound? :eyes:
OK, let me put it this way. I've noticed a pretty disturbing trend on this board over the last few months (and let's be honest...it's probably always been the case to one extent or the other), for people to notice the smallest defect in a group's output over a certain time period (Slayer and Metallica in the late 90's and early 00's, for example), and just pile on the collective bandwagon of ripping on them forver and ever, dismissing all the work that they did during said era and everything they will ever do again.

If you consider several albums that only range from bad to terrible in terms of quality to be a tiny defect, sure this makes sense. But honestly, Metallica have sucked since the early 90s, until Death Magnetic. The two or three good songs that they released over those 15 years does not in any way redeem them. Same goes for Slayer, except they haven't put out a single tolerable song since GHUA, and have no album since Seasons that doesn't suck as a whole. This is not the 'smallest defect'. It is not inaccurate to hate on these groups.

I just think this is nothing but trend-following, close-minded nonsense. I'm sorry, but every band, everywhere, regardless of genre or popular status, puts out a crap album once in a while...INCLUDING THE ALMIGHTY IRON MAIDEN (yeah, I said it).
And this is just completely false, I mean come on, NPFTD (their worst) isn't a crap album just because it doesn't live up to Maiden's standards. There's more good songs on that album than Slayer's career since Seasons.

As for the rest of your post, I agree. It's worthwhile to be open minded about most things. However, I don't see the problem with accepting that some things just don't fit into your taste. I mean, I'll probably never be a Dream Theater fan, because I'm way more into songwriting than I am into technique ;).

IrritatedTrout
12-31-2009, 11:30 AM
I've never understood how people who enjoy Slayer's old stuff don't enjoy Flesh Storm, freakin awesome track that really feels like vintage Slayer to me.

xStructualDefect
12-31-2009, 03:34 PM
I love the fuck out of metal. I always will. There's lots of stuff I don't like. I express that every once in a while - but I don't stand around being a Negative Nancy all the time becuase it makes people pay attention to me or think I'm smart. If I like a pop sog, I'll admit it - I've got nothing to hide. What I don't want to ever happen is to die from internal hemmorhaging because of the stick jammed up my ass.

I like to keep my options open - that way, I get to enjoy a whole lot more in life. That's all I'm saying.

The bottom line: Disagreeing with trends or the status quo every once in a while is fine, especially if you make good arguments. Being a negative bitch all the time because you think it makes you look cool or smart just makes you look like an ass.

all very well written good points. i agree with everything you just said. i feel the same way.

ravenheart
12-31-2009, 04:12 PM
OK, let me put it this way. I've noticed a pretty disturbing trend on this board over the last few months (and let's be honest...it's probably always been the case to one extent or the other), for people to notice the smallest defect in a group's output over a certain time period (Slayer and Metallica in the late 90's and early 00's, for example), and just pile on the collective bandwagon of ripping on them forver and ever, dismissing all the work that they did during said era and everything they will ever do again.

I didn't read the rest of that post because the preface doesn't include me. Hope I didn't miss anything good.

ravenheart
12-31-2009, 04:15 PM
all very well written good points. i agree with everything you just said. i feel the same way.

I agree in principle, but the points are irrelevant here. Well, for me they are anyway. I didn't notice anyone else bellowing "if it's not metal it's not music" either, so I don't imagine anyone else found it relevant either.

Natrlhi
12-31-2009, 04:46 PM
I didn't read the rest of that post because the preface doesn't include me. Hope I didn't miss anything good.

I agree in principle, but the points are irrelevant here. Well, for me they are anyway. I didn't notice anyone else bellowing "if it's not metal it's not music" either, so I don't imagine anyone else found it relevant either.

Dude, I am really disappointed in your responses here. You know damn well I wasn't trying to start a flame war with you here. You and I are both (well, I'm presuming for 50% of this statement, I guess) above crap like that. Just because I disagree with you a bit doesn't mean you have to start being a dismissive prick (and please don't insult my intelligence by trying to deny how snarky both of the quoted remarks were clearly intended to be). I really hope you don't decide to take this up the negativity ladder and start being an asshole to me, because I'd really like to be able to challenge your opinions once in a while in the future without having to be afraid that the argument will degenerate into an emotional bitchfest - but if you're not interested in that, I understand. I'll just be disappointed, is all. Your choice.

ravenheart
12-31-2009, 05:11 PM
Dude, you snapped and bitched about people thinking metal and Maiden were the centre of the music World when no one said anything of the kind.

Your first entrant into the discussion suggested... no, stated... that those of us who didn't rate more songs in the Top 1000 were somehow wrong and not broadened enough in music to possibly exclude such legendary bands from our reckoning. Those of us that bothered voicing an opinion had a basis for doing so that was both valid and reasoned. Or would have been if asked for. You can't make the first accusatory post of a discussion and then bitch if someone makes one in response.

And then, having made the first offensive, so to speak (too harsh a word, really, because it makes it sound like a fight, but accurate I suppose), your most recent post, like a lot of previous ones in other threads I might add, are attaching some kind of child-level status to the "target" (again, an overly abbrasive word, but fitting)? "Be about your childish little ways of you must, I thought more of you than that, but you're clearly not the reasoned adult I thought you were. " Really? That's the kind of language teachers use to confuse kids into feeling shame.

There are no doubt people here that your comments apply to entirely. The World is full of them, so there's bound to be a few here. But I see no evidence of such, and no one has tried to explain away their opinions on songs, bands or albums and given away such a stance. I definitely agree there are so people here on the "everything post Metallica sucks" and "everything post-South of Heaven sucks" bandwagons, and it could very well be they have genuine reasons for that (although I doubt it), but the rest of what you said is incredibly assuming, with no real grounds to do so.

All anyone has so far said is "It's not because they're not metal, but I don't like these songs, and they are not the best of all time", and there's really no arguing with that as point of view. To then tell us that we only feel that way because we think we're too cool to like pop music is more pretentious than anyone else has so far been.

Oh yeah, and GHUA is superb, so amen to that.

Natrlhi
12-31-2009, 05:54 PM
Sorry if you interpret some of my comments to you (or in other threads) as being condescending. That was never the intent. In fact, it would have made me a hypocrite, because that's one of the offenses I was kinda callling you out for myself (not trying to pour fuel on the fire here, merely stating my intent). If I appear condescending in other posts, hopefully it is with an air of humor to it, where the reader realizes I am being so pretentious that it is obviously all an act, totally put on, and not at all real. That's the only time I knowingly talk (or write, as it were) in that tone, and hopefully the irony is fairly obvious (at least most of the time).

To your point about making the first move, and then bitching that you had any retort whatsoever, come on. Do you really think that I expected to make a controversial post and then hear crickets chirping in the night? Of course you were going to respond, and of course you are welcome to, as long as you're not an asshole about it. Sarcasm is really counterproductive to a decent argument, and although it might make one appear witty to some, others such as myself just find it insulting. Better to argue with logic than with insults, wouldn't you agree?

Speaking of which, most of the facts you stated, I agree with (especially that GHUA is awesome - that is a fact ;)).