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SomewhereInTime72
09-18-2009, 10:18 AM
Great show, both Pagan's Mind and Stratovarius really rocked the house, and even the opening band Ethereality (http://www.myspace.com/etherealityband) were pretty damn good. My memory of the set lists is unfortunately rather fuzzy, as I was very tired. As a result, the Pagan's Mind set is incomplete, and the Stratovarius set is not totally in order. :zzz: :confused:

Pagan's Mind:
God's Equation
United Alliance
Atomic Firelight
-A couple of songs here that I can't recall- I think Through Osiris' Eyes was probably played here, though
Hallo Spaceboy
-Another couple of songs I can't remember, though I think Aegean Shores might have been one of them-
Alien Kamikaze (this song is beyond sick live)

Stratovarius:

1. Destiny
2. Hunting High and Low
3. Speed of Light
4. Kiss Of Judas
5. Deep Unknown
6. A Million Light Years Away
7. Legions
8. Winter Skies
9. Phoenix
10. Bass/Guitar Solos
11. Forever Is Today :party: :party:
12. Twilight Symphony
13. Eagleheart

14.Father Time
15. Black Diamond

The first band was Ethereality, which is actually a band that features a few people I know indirectly/acquaintance-wise. No set from them, since I'm not actually familiar with their material. They were pretty good, and I realize being able to play this show (opening for Strato/Pagan's Mind + playing such a large venue) is a really big deal for a local band. They also closed with a cover of Pharaoh by Symphony X, with a guest appearance by Thomas Miller himself on bass.

As good as they were, Pagan's Mind still managed to totally destroy them. Opening with the monumental "God's Equation" and delivering a good 50-55 minutes of rockin' songs besides all that. A highlight for me was the opener and Alien Kamikaze, which somewhat shocked me because it was about 5000 times better/heavier/faster/awesomer live than it is on the album version. :rocker:

Then of course came Stratovarius, and they're very good. They always deliver, and if you've seen them, you know that. Matias (the new guy) is really good, and I would go so far as to say that the current Strato lineup is probably the best Strato lineup. Lauri Porra really is a phenomenal bassist, and I would consider the new guitarist to actually be a step of from Tolkki, who was pretty unentertaining in a live scenario and was beginning to get really dry in style. Seeing them performing this well, coupled with Polaris, really solidified to me that not only are Stratovarius still relevant in the power metal scene, they are better than they have been in almost a decade.

xStructualDefect
09-18-2009, 11:22 AM
WOOOW stratovarius played destiny?
did they play the full thing?
and nice to see Twilight Symphony in there
i also really liked the new album so it's new to see some new ones in there

fucking aye i have class wednesdays til 730ish
but i think i'm just gonna have to see this show now despite how expensive it will probably be.

metalmilitia54
09-18-2009, 01:43 PM
fucking aye i have class wednesdays til 730ish


Classes never stopped me from going to shows...so far XD

maidenpriest
09-18-2009, 02:03 PM
awesome that they played twilight symphony. one of my favorites by them

xStructualDefect
09-20-2009, 09:29 AM
Classes never stopped me from going to shows...so far XD

true but my only friend who likes power metal shows goes to a different college than me.
he'll be off by 9pm, and me at 7:30.
we decided were going to this though so hopefully we'll be there by 9:30 or 9:45 latest.

BlashyrkhMR101
09-20-2009, 02:23 PM
This doesn't have a whole lot to do with the setlist but can someone tell me if Pagan's Mind are a christian band? I mean, their name says one then yet " 'God's' Equation" says another...?

Maiden33
09-20-2009, 03:01 PM
Chances are they're neither. I hate how these days it seems like everyone likes to classify bands as either Christian or Satanic. I'd prefer people just keep religion out of metal. Most of the time bands are made of members of mixed faith, who are together because they worship the same music, not the same god. I hate how people seem to think you have to be one or the other anymore. I can't speak for the Pagans Mind guys personally, but chances are the band as a whole are indifferent. Based on the fact that most of the time if a band are "christian", they insist on shoving it down your throat.

IrritatedTrout
09-20-2009, 03:53 PM
Not to mention God's Equation could be any god. Odin, Allah, the christian god, there's a lot of possibilities.

SilentSoldier144
09-20-2009, 03:54 PM
Chances are they're neither. I hate how these days it seems like everyone likes to classify bands as either Christian or Satanic. I'd prefer people just keep religion out of metal. Most of the time bands are made of members of mixed faith, who are together because they worship the same music, not the same god. I hate how people seem to think you have to be one or the other anymore. I can't speak for the Pagans Mind guys personally, but chances are the band as a whole are indifferent. Based on the fact that most of the time if a band are "christian", they insist on shoving it down your throat.

Amen. (see what I did there? lul)

JuuKun
09-20-2009, 04:01 PM
Ugh. So upset that I have to miss this tomorrow night in Cambridge. I love Pagan's Mind.

I can't speak for any of the members personally, though Nils is for one not Christian (Interview (http://www.metallian.com/pagansmind.php)). Regardless of the other members, Pagan's Mind are not a Christian band - they don't sing about Christianity.

As for the "God's Equation" thing, taken from the same interview:

The thing is the cover is supposed to be provocative. I am trying to illustrate that all religions come from the same source. The goddess is holding the Christian cross, the Egyptian Ankh, the Ying Yang from the Eastern religions and the Jewish Star Of David. They all have the same source, which is man-made.

Albert Einstein came up with the term ‘God’s Equation’ originally. He was speaking about a theory of his called The Expanding Universe back in 1918, I think. He had this mathematical formula that explained how and why the universe is expanding at all times. He later on ditched this theory thinking he was wrong. Then in the late ‘90s scientists found out that he was right after all. The term ‘God’s Equation’ became popular in alternative thinking circles. DNA codes are links among all organic materials on this planet. There is a mathematical link through DNA.

That was probably more explanation than was necessary, though, huh?

xStructualDefect
09-20-2009, 10:20 PM
too bad Pagan's Mind is not playing LA. from what i listened to sounded pretty fucking epic. any recommendations of what to listen to from them?

JuuKun
09-21-2009, 03:18 AM
too bad Pagan's Mind is not playing LA. from what i listened to sounded pretty fucking epic. any recommendations of what to listen to from them?

Everything. All four of their albums are excellent. Most people I know would say to start with Celestial Entrance, though, so start there.

Maiden33
09-21-2009, 08:20 AM
Everything. All four of their albums are excellent. Most people I know would say to start with Celestial Entrance, though, so start there.

Yeah, Celestial Entrance or Enigmatic: Calling.

Maiden33
09-21-2009, 10:25 AM
Does anyone know how much t-shirts are on this tour? Particularly Pagans Mind shirts?

Elvenking
09-21-2009, 02:27 PM
WOOOW stratovarius played destiny?
did they play the full thing?


When they came in 05 they played destiny, but only the first half :/

xStructualDefect
09-21-2009, 03:15 PM
When they came in 05 they played destiny, but only the first half :/

that's fine. still gonna be an epic opener.

Elvenking
09-22-2009, 10:37 PM
that's fine. still gonna be an epic opener.

Yeah for sure, beats manic dance compared to last time. I don't really think they could really top destiny though as an opener...maybe anthem of the world? but who knows when they will ever play that again.

Maiden33
09-22-2009, 10:47 PM
Yeah for sure, beats manic dance compared to last time. I don't really think they could really top destiny though as an opener...maybe anthem of the world? but who knows when they will ever play that again.

Anything beats Maniac Dance. That song was crap.

jhdeity
09-23-2009, 06:22 AM
As far as the opening acts go they're all local bands. My friends band Visionary are opening for them tonight. Problem is they have to sell a shit ton of tickets at fukkin $40 a pop. I'm sure they're going to be eating some of that cost but it's still worth it to them I would think.

Am I the only person who thinks Prog bands are gouging the living shit out of their fans? They know people will pay it and they're taking advantage. I just paid $12 to see Gojira and Burst who owned and these 2 bands are charging $40? How does that equate?

JuuKun
09-23-2009, 10:20 AM
Strato aren't Prog...:eyes:

I don't think the MA date was $40, though, but I couldn't go, so I don't know for certain.

xStructualDefect
09-23-2009, 10:37 AM
Am I the only person who thinks Prog bands are gouging the living shit out of their fans? They know people will pay it and they're taking advantage. I just paid $12 to see Gojira and Burst who owned and these 2 bands are charging $40? How does that equate?

agreed. every prog or power metal band that comes to LA charges about $30-40 a ticket. Primal Fear just played here sometime ago and their tickets were $30 plus $10 ticketmaster charges. same deal every time Edguy plays here, Kamelot, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, etc. suprisingly DragonForce doesn't charge that much as they're bigger than all those bands.

luckily i always find some sort of deal from the opening band. i paid $40 to see Stratovarius in 2006. i found a deal this time that's only $28 from a local band opening the show. same thing with Sonata Arctica in 2007 i paid $20 instead of $40.

jhdeity
09-23-2009, 11:59 AM
Strato aren't Prog...:eyes:

I don't think the MA date was $40, though, but I couldn't go, so I don't know for certain.

Dude, straight up, you SERIOUSLY need to get laid.

SerpentineVIVIVI
09-23-2009, 12:15 PM
Dude, straight up, you SERIOUSLY need to get laid.

What does that have to do with Stratovarious not being prog?

jhdeity
09-23-2009, 01:43 PM
The last 3 posts I've seen from him were all anal. Just an observation.

Anyone who is "bugged" by the title of a post not being right either needs to twist one up or get laid... or both.

I rarely if ever classify music but if that show isn't a prog show what is it?

SerpentineVIVIVI
09-23-2009, 01:50 PM
The last 3 posts I've seen from him were all anal. Just an observation.

Anyone who is "bugged" by the title of a post not being right either needs to twist one up or get laid... or both.

I rarely if ever classify music but if that show isn't a prog show what is it?

In his defense I don't think he was bugged, I just think he was clarifying that Strato aren't prog. Which, also in his defense, is true. I'm not being wise ass or anything, but it's true. I'm not chopping your head off for it, but it's more of a power metal show really. Or power/prog, whatever floats your boat.

And in response to your other post, I see where you're coming from with that genre of bands being really greedy. It is awfully strange to see Dragonforce, whom are bigger than any of those other bands easily, charging the lowest amount. Hopefully that changes, because I love prog/power metal too much to drop due to cash.

xStructualDefect
09-23-2009, 01:56 PM
i don't know to me power and prog metal are almost the same thing with the exception of some bands. bands like Sonata have a lot of prog elements post-Silence. Stratovarius in my opinion has some prog elements, i hear it a lot in Dreamscape. Symphony X sometimes with songs like Seven and Eve of Seduction. just a few of many examples. most people will probably disagree with me though.

SomewhereInTime72
09-23-2009, 02:10 PM
i don't know to me power and prog metal are almost the same thing with the exception of some bands. bands like Sonata have a lot of prog elements post-Silence. Stratovarius in my opinion has some prog elements, i hear it a lot in Dreamscape. Symphony X sometimes with songs like Seven and Eve of Seduction. just a few of many examples. most people will probably disagree with me though.

Symphony X are really the only band you named that actually have prog elements. :eyes: :eyes: Strato basically write the same (great) song over and over.

jhdeity
09-23-2009, 02:15 PM
Actually he was bugged in the Lamb of God thread. No biggie. Not trying to bag on anyone I just don't deal well with unjustified negativity I guess. I know a guy who always corrects people and as you get older you'll learn that people really resent you for that. Personally I'd rather know but I'm not like most people.

I stand corrected. Power/Prog bands are overcharging their fans. To me Burst were prog. The dude who sits is really Steve Howe influenced and the other guy was like a prog Michael Schenker or something. I guess prog means technical to me. Manowar is power metal where I come from and there is a very thin line between prog and power I guess. Iced Earth is probably considered power metal but they're kinda prog to me also.

I really don't categorize music but the only people I know going to tonights show go to Dream Theater, Symphony X and they're going for Pagan's Mind and not Stratovarious. They'll always be my "prog" friends. hahaha

xStructualDefect
09-23-2009, 02:20 PM
Symphony X are really the only band you named that actually have prog elements. :eyes: :eyes: Strato basically write the same (great) song over and over.

like i said it's my opinion. i hear a lot of prog elements in Sonata's new stuff.
i hate dealing with sub genres that are similar cause there's always very long arguements especially on youtube.
unless someone calls Bring Me The Horizon death metal (which happens alot -__-), then there's a reason to argue.

Blitzkrieg Witchcraft
09-23-2009, 02:24 PM
Yeah, Celestial Entrance or Enigmatic: Calling.

What he said.

I started with Enigmatic: Calling and was hooked. Worked my way back and then got God's Equation when it came out.

Great band. Can't wait for the new live album/DVD and they say they'll have a new album out by next summer.

SomewhereInTime72
09-23-2009, 02:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#Musical_characteristics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_metal#Musical_characteristics

Prog and power don't actually have much of anything to do with each other. :eyes:

xStructualDefect
09-23-2009, 02:37 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#Musical_characteristics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_metal#Musical_characteristics

Prog and power don't actually have much of anything to do with each other. :eyes:

well to me a lot of power and prog metal sounds similar to me. ya there is a lot of bands that don't sound like the other genre whatsoever, but to me there is a lot bands who sound like they COULD fall under both genres.

like i said IMO Sonata's recent stuff sounds like it can also fall under the prog genre also.