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Altmer7989
08-22-2009, 06:11 AM
A Nightmare To Remember
A Rite Of Passage
Keyboard Solo
Prophets of War
The Dance of Eternity
One Last Time
Solitary Shell
In the Name of God
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The Count of Tuscany

what no pre scenes material what what

Sanitarium78
08-22-2009, 01:59 PM
I think they had another set this tour where they didn't do any pre SFAM material. Sometimes i wonder exactly what Portnoy is thinking when he makes the sets. Metallica doesn't ignore Puppets and Justice live so why DT ignors I&W and Awake sometimes is beyond me. Plus the keyboard solo is third? Talk about a a mood killer right away. Then Prophets, Dance of Eternity and One Last Time all in a row? Are they purposely trying to bore the crowd to death? They MUST get back to the "evening with Dream Theater" format. That's what their music is made for not these short sets that are over as soon as they begin.

es156
08-22-2009, 02:50 PM
Yeah, I would say that this is one of my least favorite sets of the current tour. I am glad they got this one out of their system before the Chicago show tomorrow night. Hopefully we will get a better set. Definitely hoping they skip the keyboard solo!

Altmer7989
08-23-2009, 05:20 AM
I think they had another set this tour where they didn't do any pre SFAM material. Sometimes i wonder exactly what Portnoy is thinking when he makes the sets. Metallica doesn't ignore Puppets and Justice live so why DT ignors I&W and Awake sometimes is beyond me. Plus the keyboard solo is third? Talk about a a mood killer right away. Then Prophets, Dance of Eternity and One Last Time all in a row? Are they purposely trying to bore the crowd to death? They MUST get back to the "evening with Dream Theater" format. That's what their music is made for not these short sets that are over as soon as they begin.

I like TDOE + OLT. I don't think the band can do those 3 hour sets anymore - they could prolly do a good 2h set though. The other reason they ignore awake and I&W is that they are bored shitless playing Metropolis and Pull Me Under. Metropolis is so complex, yet the band could play it in their fucking sleep because they have done that one about a million times. Apart from that, the changing setlists take into account the previous setlists from that area as well other nearby shows for double attendants.

may i add that i want in the name of god live dammit

Sanitarium78
08-23-2009, 10:00 AM
I like TDOE + OLT. I don't think the band can do those 3 hour sets anymore - they could prolly do a good 2h set though. The other reason they ignore awake and I&W is that they are bored shitless playing Metropolis and Pull Me Under. Metropolis is so complex, yet the band could play it in their fucking sleep because they have done that one about a million times. Apart from that, the changing setlists take into account the previous setlists from that area as well other nearby shows for double attendants.

may i add that i want in the name of god live dammit

You can say that they're bored with the stuff off I&W but the album came out in 1992 it's not like they've been playing the songs live for 25 or 30 years like some bands. Priest probably gets bored with BTL but they still do it.Same thing with Maiden and NOTB or Metallica with MOP and don't think that Rush isn't bored as hell with Tom Sawyer but it's been in every set they've played since 1981. I don't buy the whole were bored with I&W. There's just certian albums from bands that need to be represented live and I&W and Awake are the two from DT.

I like TDOE and OLT as well it's just the way the set was made. It just comes off kind of boring to me that's all. When I saw them on the first Gigantour i was lucky enough and surprised to hear In The Name Of God. An excellent tune and was great to hear live.

Altmer7989
08-23-2009, 10:12 AM
I don't know, I like that they switch it up, when I go to see them I don't want to hear the same 10 songs (although I will always wanna hear Metropolis). I can understand their point. And they have been rehearsing and playing the I&W songs for longer before that album was released; just without James on vox. So those songs are almost 20 years old by now. I also wouldn't complain if Maiden or Priest switched their sets up a bit more (Metallica does it enough for my liking).

Maiden33
08-23-2009, 01:51 PM
The bottom line is that I think Dream Theater (*cough* Portnoy) get too caught up in trying to be different that they forget something. Images and Words and Awake are WORSHIPPED by their fanbase compared to anything else they've done aside from Scenes From a Memory. I actually don't know of many other bands who have such a disproportionate distribution of love of albums among non-die-hard fans. For how many fans love those two records compared to others, the thought of doing ANY shows where they don't play a single song off of either is preposterous. I've always admired how much the band go out of their way to rotate their set lists and make their shows different for the dedicated fans that go out of their own way to catch them as many times as they do. The bottom line is that it's unfair to the more casual fans or the younger fans who haven't been seeing them every tour for 15 years to not play any of their older material because they're "sick of it". As has been mentioned, the band has only been around 20 years and those two albums 17 and 15 years respectively. Compared to some of the other bands who have been churning out the same half-dozen staple songs EVERY show for 30 years, they're doing great. For what Dream Theater tickets cost, it's unfair to the fanbase that isn't obsessed with them to not play some of their best-received material, and have their sets be such a chance on-off thing from night-to-night.

Sanitarium78
08-23-2009, 03:49 PM
The bottom line is that I think Dream Theater (*cough* Portnoy) get too caught up in trying to be different that they forget something. Images and Words and Awake are WORSHIPPED by their fanbase compared to anything else they've done aside from Scenes From a Memory. I actually don't know of many other bands who have such a disproportionate distribution of love of albums among non-die-hard fans. For how many fans love those two records compared to others, the thought of doing ANY shows where they don't play a single song off of either is preposterous. I've always admired how much the band go out of their way to rotate their set lists and make their shows different for the dedicated fans that go out of their own way to catch them as many times as they do. The bottom line is that it's unfair to the more casual fans or the younger fans who haven't been seeing them every tour for 15 years to not play any of their older material because they're "sick of it". As has been mentioned, the band has only been around 20 years and those two albums 17 and 15 years respectively. Compared to some of the other bands who have been churning out the same half-dozen staple songs EVERY show for 30 years, they're doing great. For what Dream Theater tickets cost, it's unfair to the fanbase that isn't obsessed with them to not play some of their best-received material, and have their sets be such a chance on-off thing from night-to-night.

I agree with everything you just said. I'm not saying that they have to do Pull Me Under and Metroplis every night but you've gotta make sure that I&W and Awake are represented in every set. They are one of my favorites and i love that they switch the sets up every night but every band has albums you can't ignore live and those two are it for them.

Travis The Dragon
08-23-2009, 07:43 PM
I like TDOE + OLT. I don't think the band can do those 3 hour sets anymore - they could prolly do a good 2h set though. The other reason they ignore awake and I&W is that they are bored shitless playing Metropolis and Pull Me Under. Metropolis is so complex, yet the band could play it in their fucking sleep because they have done that one about a million times. Apart from that, the changing setlists take into account the previous setlists from that area as well other nearby shows for double attendants.

may i add that i want in the name of god live dammit

If Rush can do 3 hour sets, DT surely can!

Sanitarium78
08-23-2009, 08:40 PM
If Rush can do 3 hour sets, DT surely can!

I agree with that but there but a lot of DT's material is heavier and faster than Rush's so it may tire them out a bit more but if they balance the sets between the fast and slow stuff which DT always does well they shouldn't have a problem. I wouldn't mind it if DT went back to doing 2 hour sets like they did in '07 but where the fuck did this come from that they're only playing like 90 minutes now? You're Dream Theater go out there and do the Marathon sets that you made your name on like Rush does and stop being so damn lazy.

I hate to rip on one of my favorite bands like this but there's no reason for their sets to be so short unless someone in the band can't do it and they're just not saying anything.

Altmer7989
08-24-2009, 12:05 AM
I would represent them too; I'm just saying I can understand why they aren't doing it.

I think the short sets originate from the fact they are playing a package tour which starts really early. I think if they had a single opener they would play longer (and with longer sets like they had in Europe earlier this year, they don't skip Awake/Images).

Sanitarium78
08-24-2009, 07:03 AM
But this is a package tour with a two no name bands you shouldn't shorten your set to give time to bands people are probably not gonna care about. Everyone is there to see DT not these other bands play. Even ZPZ doesn't need all that time. If Frank was still alive i could accept it but his son is just cashing in off his dads name and shouldn't be given so much time.

It's not just DT i'm mad at it's all these other bands that are giving 90 minutes or less as a headliner now. Someone needs to step up and tell the promoters "that's not enough our fans deserve more" but until that happens were gonna continue to get these short ass sets from headliners and i for one am damn tired of that. Especially when bands who got the material to play longer and don't do it. I don't even go to as many shows now because of this. If i'm paying top dollar to see a band they better give me more than a 10 song headlining set. I know it's all about money but it's really cheating the fans when artists charge so much for shows and then just give you a short performance and leave. I just see that as a big "Fuck You" to your audience.

Altmer7989
08-24-2009, 12:39 PM
I'm European so it's slightly different here (we get Opeth, Unexpect and Bigelf), but I like these package tours: means I get to see a lot of bands I didn't see before. I don't need to hear Metropolis for the dozenth time from them, I like that they give other bands a shot. I think they are doing it to give those no-name bands a chance, show 'em off to the world, and make a package tour where you have more of them. I know the summer tours in the US are pretty ass that way, and I'd rather have DT play a slightly longer set, too, but it's not gonna happen with the DT song lengths. It's more of a moral thing; I think they will come back to play the US for a second leg with longer sets.

I wouldn't have paid for this lineup either; after PoS dropped off, that was the nail in the coffin for this tour.

Sanitarium78
08-24-2009, 02:01 PM
I'm European so it's slightly different here (we get Opeth, Unexpect and Bigelf), but I like these package tours: means I get to see a lot of bands I didn't see before. I don't need to hear Metropolis for the dozenth time from them, I like that they give other bands a shot. I think they are doing it to give those no-name bands a chance, show 'em off to the world, and make a package tour where you have more of them. I know the summer tours in the US are pretty ass that way, and I'd rather have DT play a slightly longer set, too, but it's not gonna happen with the DT song lengths. It's more of a moral thing; I think they will come back to play the US for a second leg with longer sets.

I wouldn't have paid for this lineup either; after PoS dropped off, that was the nail in the coffin for this tour.

Yeah European audiences always seem to be luckier. Bands play over there way more often and some of them seem to play longer there as well. Maybe the curfews for venues are different here and YES i do wanna hear DT play Metropolis all the time what DT fan doesn't? With their song length longer sets are possible by simply going back to the "Evening With" format.

I do agree the advantage to package tours is the possibility of seeing multiple bands you like on one bill. But it's also it's downfall as well because you don't get to see bands who are perfectly able of putting on a quality length headline set do so a lot of the time. It was stated eariler in this thread that there are people going to see DT for the first time so there's gotta be certian songs that are staples in the set. How many people you think go to see DT and wanna hear PMU, Metropolis and Voices? I'm guessing just about all of the audience. How many do you think are saying when they go to a show right now "I really hope they do Sacrificed Sons and TDOE" probably not too many at all.

Sorry if i'm coming off like an ass on this thread but Portnoy should really know better when it comes to song selections for their shows

Altmer7989
08-24-2009, 11:55 PM
I think TDEN is fine: it's off Scenes, and that is one of their most popular albums. I also think a lot of young kids haven't explored the back catalogue yet.