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Derelict
07-05-2009, 05:17 PM
Not sure if this thread has been started before...

http://www.facebook.com/kenneythisiskenney

Maiden33
07-05-2009, 05:22 PM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1145330772&ref=profile

John The Drummer
07-05-2009, 05:32 PM
I have one... but I don't go on it anymore... its just to lame.

Butcher of Birth
07-05-2009, 05:45 PM
I have one: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/LoganThomasMilleR?ref=profile

ChildrenofSodom
07-05-2009, 05:56 PM
http://www.facebook.com/camerondehart

Div
07-05-2009, 06:14 PM
i dont use it as much as some people, but add me anyway

http://www.facebook.com/MikeMiele

mankvill
07-05-2009, 06:54 PM
www.facebook.com/mankvill :D

and join my mafia on mafia wars god damnit

Div
07-05-2009, 06:59 PM
your default photo sums up everything about kansas perfectly.

mankvill
07-05-2009, 07:05 PM
your default photo sums up everything about kansas perfectly.

I can put up one from high school where I'm wearing my mascot's head and I'm dancing.

Okay, I'll put that one up.

DethMaiden
07-05-2009, 07:29 PM
http://www.facebook.com/bradsand

SomewhereInTime72
07-05-2009, 08:05 PM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1368751635&ref=mf

I'll go ahead and add you guys eh.

Butcher of Birth
07-05-2009, 08:12 PM
I'm liking this hahaha

Div
07-05-2009, 08:20 PM
brad sand?

Maiden33
07-05-2009, 08:30 PM
I think it's kind of funny. Sometimes when you get to know people well on the internet and have disagreements with them, yet don't have any idea what they look like, you'll eventually see a picture of them and think: "Wow, I was intimidated by them?"

DethMaiden
07-05-2009, 08:33 PM
brad sand?

Brad Sanders was taken. Common enough name, I guess.

powerslave_85
07-05-2009, 08:33 PM
I think it's kind of funny. Sometimes when you get to know people well on the internet and have disagreements with them, yet don't have any idea what they look like, you'll eventually see a picture of them and think: "Wow, I was intimidated by them?"
:lol:

illninoese
07-05-2009, 08:47 PM
http://www.facebook.com/illninoese

Butcher of Birth
07-05-2009, 08:49 PM
I think it's kind of funny. Sometimes when you get to know people well on the internet and have disagreements with them, yet don't have any idea what they look like, you'll eventually see a picture of them and think: "Wow, I was intimidated by them?"

haha, but I'm still badass :flame:

Derelict
07-05-2009, 09:01 PM
I think it's kind of funny. Sometimes when you get to know people well on the internet and have disagreements with them, yet don't have any idea what they look like, you'll eventually see a picture of them and think: "Wow, I was intimidated by them?"

My Viking hat, puchased in Gothenburg, owns

SerpentineVIVIVI
07-05-2009, 09:10 PM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/rodrigo.caballero?ref=profile

I'm pretty active on it, so ring me up :D

Spiral_Slave
07-06-2009, 07:36 AM
www.facebook.com/jeffpouring

JRA
07-06-2009, 07:36 AM
brad sand?

What? His name comes up as Brad Sanders to me.

It's funny everytime I see one of you guys and make a freind request I feel like a retarded kid with down syndrome going "WILL U B MY FLRIEEND/???"

ChildrenofSodom
07-06-2009, 07:52 AM
With the exception of Jeff Teets, Josh, Mike, Brady, and Addi, I'm not going to have any idea who you guys are when your names come up on facebook.

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 08:25 AM
With the exception of Jeff Teets, Josh, Mike, Brady, and Addi, I'm not going to have any idea who you guys are when your names come up on facebook.

Yeah I'm kind of the same way.

Maybe it's time to start a MetalSetlists Facebook group?

ChildrenofSodom
07-06-2009, 08:27 AM
Yeah I'm kind of the same way.

Maybe it's time to start a MetalSetlists Facebook group?

If you make it, they will come.

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 08:32 AM
If you make it, they will come.

Fuck it, I'm that bored.

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 08:41 AM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/group.php?gid=126596544545

There it is. I already sent out invitations to the 11 or 12 people I'm friends with. If you know anyone else, it's up to you to invite them.

I'll get around to adding a picture, and as people join, I'll make them officers with the title of their user name, to make things easy.

EvilCheeseWedge
07-06-2009, 09:53 AM
I just requested to join, but a question... Why is it a closed group?

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 10:01 AM
I just requested to join, but a question... Why is it a closed group?

Because it's only for people who use this board, and thus I don't want random people finding it and joining it even though they don't post here. That seems like something that wouldn't happen, but you'd be surprised.

Oh, and if you aren't made into an officer in the group, it means I don't know who you are, so feel free to let me know.

EvilCheeseWedge
07-06-2009, 10:06 AM
Because it's only for people who use this board, and thus I don't want random people finding it and joining it even though they don't post here. That seems like something that wouldn't happen, but you'd be surprised.

Oh, and if you aren't made into an officer in the group, it means I don't know who you are, so feel free to let me know.

Okay, that's cool. Maybe I, or someone else, should make a Facebook page for this site sometime, just to kind of let people know what this place is about, maybe grab the interest of some, and to function as a sort of public face, while your group is a kind of private club for people who already members.

Div
07-06-2009, 10:23 AM
Okay, that's cool. Maybe I, or someone else, should make a Facebook page for this site sometime, just to kind of let people know what this place is about, maybe grab the interest of some, and to function as a sort of public face, while your group is a kind of private club for people who already members.

we could post a sticky thread somewhere on the forums so that new members can request an invite

DethMaiden
07-06-2009, 10:24 AM
It does seem like the board has been gaining a crazy amount of traffic over the last year compared to the previous four. Something's going right, or it's pure word of mouth.

EvilCheeseWedge
07-06-2009, 10:44 AM
http://www.metalsetlists.com/showthread.php?p=217853#post217853

Any thoughts or suggestions for this thread, or the Facebook page, throw 'em up here.

Div
07-06-2009, 10:48 AM
this is a good idea, i think people are less likely to act like douchebags when they cant hide behind anonymity.

EvilCheeseWedge
07-06-2009, 10:51 AM
this is a good idea, i think people are less likely to act like douchebags when they cant hide behind anonymity.

Having a Facebook page will be a good way to promote the site, and I'll moderate it as I would here if people feel the need to be douchebags ;) But yeah, I like having a private Facebook group for discussion. It's a good way for us registered members to keep in touch. And I figured I'd lock the sticky thread here since it's strictly for informational purposes, and we can keep all the Facebook discussions in this thread.

powerslave_85
07-06-2009, 11:00 AM
this is a good idea, i think people are less likely to act like douchebags when they cant hide behind anonymity.
That's why I haven't posted my profile :eyes:

TonyD
07-06-2009, 11:18 AM
It does seem like the board has been gaining a crazy amount of traffic over the last year compared to the previous four. Something's going right, or it's pure word of mouth.

It comes up pretty often when you search "____ set list"

facebook.com/pizzatony

Butcher of Birth
07-06-2009, 11:34 AM
this has progessed VERY well. Great job everyone! :rocker:

Derelict
07-06-2009, 11:52 AM
man, i created a monster

ChildrenofSodom
07-06-2009, 12:38 PM
this is a good idea, i think people are less likely to act like douchebags when they cant hide behind anonymity.

Doesn't hold me back on the OSU group.

Butcher of Birth
07-06-2009, 12:48 PM
man, i created a monster

Good one Slim Shady...

Derelict
07-06-2009, 12:56 PM
Good one Slim Shady...

ugh

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 01:43 PM
I need to know who Ian Cimaglia is so I can post their username when I make them an officer.

Wizzbang11
07-06-2009, 02:15 PM
I'm Dayan Weller.

ADD
07-06-2009, 05:39 PM
Facebook :lol: I already added the people on here that are aight :cool:

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 05:43 PM
Facebook :lol: I already added the people on here that are aight :cool:

I hate you too. :D

ADD
07-06-2009, 05:44 PM
I hate you too. :D
:lol:

Maiden33
07-06-2009, 05:46 PM
:lol:

It's all good, you can't get into the official Facebook group without going through me. :D

SerpentineVIVIVI
07-06-2009, 08:06 PM
I need to know who Ian Cimaglia is so I can post their username when I make them an officer.

He is makethemsuffer.

Butcher of Birth
07-06-2009, 08:43 PM
ugh

hahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hot_turkey_ed
07-07-2009, 02:12 PM
It does seem like the board has been gaining a crazy amount of traffic over the last year compared to the previous four. Something's going right, or it's pure word of mouth.

Our traffic / activity has almost tripled from this time last year. Peeps find us when searching for set lists and by word of mouth. It also has something to do with you all contributing and making the place what it is. :rocker:

mankvill
07-07-2009, 04:05 PM
Our traffic / activity has almost tripled from this time last year. Peeps find us when searching for set lists and by word of mouth. It also has something to do with you all contributing and making the place what it is. :rocker:

You're welcome.

:D

makethemsuffer12
07-07-2009, 04:07 PM
I need to know who Ian Cimaglia is so I can post their username when I make them an officer.

That is me lol.

He is makethemsuffer.

YOU FORGOT THE 12 :mad:

zgodt
07-08-2009, 07:16 AM
I'm there. Search for Scott Beal in Ann Arbor, MI.

IrritatedTrout
09-20-2009, 05:23 PM
http://www.facebook.com/MattBennett1

I don't use it all too often but I sent a request to join the group on FB.

Maiden33
09-20-2009, 05:48 PM
http://www.facebook.com/MattBennett1

I don't use it all too often but I sent a request to join the group on FB.

You hath been approved. The gods have smiled upon ye this day. :D

ravenheart
09-21-2009, 12:07 AM
I don't have a personal profile, but I do have a page for the site: http://www.facebook.com/pages/JukeboxMetal/123620732498

You can all be my fans ;)

xStructualDefect
09-21-2009, 03:37 AM
.

MetalIsArt
09-21-2009, 04:21 AM
www.facebook.com/Filip1302

:D

Dextrimental
09-21-2009, 05:59 AM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=1245177957&ref=profile

i jus asked to join the group too :)

jhdeity
09-22-2009, 02:37 PM
I'm on facebook but really hate that my friends are bailing on myspace. The music along makes MS more relevant but people are tired of being barraged by shitty bands I guess. I like checking out new shit but don't have time to keep up.

I'm on facebook as Jayson Hill in Pasadena MD. Hit me up!

How do you find your actual URL?

DethMaiden
09-22-2009, 02:40 PM
Myspace's format is just horrible, I think, and the fact that people use it as a place to pimp their profile and put billions of pictures of themselves above using it for social networking is what made me delete mine. Bulletins, pc4pc, etc...it's just a whorehouse. Plus, you can still listen to bands on there without being a member (and I do).

TonyD
09-22-2009, 02:53 PM
I would have deleted mine but I still get updates from a handfull of bands on myspace.

ravenheart
09-23-2009, 09:19 AM
Myspace's format is just horrible, I think, and the fact that people use it as a place to pimp their profile and put billions of pictures of themselves above using it for social networking is what made me delete mine. Bulletins, pc4pc, etc...it's just a whorehouse. Plus, you can still listen to bands on there without being a member (and I do).

It's all about the bands, man.

Div
04-20-2010, 08:07 PM
bump

Fires Of Sedition
04-20-2010, 11:11 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=656525588

ravenheart
04-21-2010, 12:27 AM
Be my fans. You know you want to.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/JukeboxMetal/123620732498

The Green and Black
04-21-2010, 07:06 AM
I have one... but I don't go on it anymore... its just to lame.

Not sure if you even post here anymore, but you might be my new hero.

Maiden33
04-21-2010, 07:47 AM
For the record: I love Facebook.

Of all the social networking sites, I find it by far the most useful and convenient, and will probably stay on it forever provided nothing HUGE about it changes. As usual with any huge cultural thing, it has attracted a very negative perception, and some of it is not unfounded - I particularly hate how Myspace-type spam and bullshit has started to erode the site, but I think it's pretty easy to set it up and manipulate it so it's really just a great tool. Especially for music, I love it. If it wasn't for Facebook I wouldn't have half the interaction with musicians I like that I do. The personal factor of the site makes it a lot easier to actually talk to members of the bands you like, which is great for getting interviews and IDs for my radio show, and just overall awesomeness.

Also, I think it's a great promotional tool for my band - when we create events for shows, it can actually lead to many people who otherwise wouldn't know deciding to come out, and also we can get a realistic expectation of how many people will be at the gigs.

So yes, in summary - fuck the hate, I like Facebook a lot.

The Green and Black
04-21-2010, 08:00 AM
Also, I think it's a great promotional tool for my band - when we create events for shows, it can actually lead to many people who otherwise wouldn't know deciding to come out, and also we can get a realistic expectation of how many people will be at the gigs.


I think MySpace and Facebook are great for bands. But I'm just not into all they hey, look at me, here are my friends. Here are my friends drunk. Here are my friends, really really drunk. Here is a picture of my cat in a hat. This is my baby. This is my cousin's baby. blah blah blah

bt11763
04-21-2010, 08:13 AM
I'm already friends with andrew, but here's mine:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1313713879&ref=profile


also, i requested to join the group :D

Cynicist
04-21-2010, 08:52 AM
I agree heartily with this article. Even though I love my Zune.

Get off my lawn.

http://www.tommyzor.com/v2-upgrades/myspace-ipod-ruined-the-world/

Maiden33
04-21-2010, 09:46 AM
I think MySpace and Facebook are great for bands. But I'm just not into all they hey, look at me, here are my friends. Here are my friends drunk. Here are my friends, really really drunk. Here is a picture of my cat in a hat. This is my baby. This is my cousin's baby. blah blah blah

I know exactly what you're talking about, but thanks to this wonderful feature called "Hide", you can just stop yourself from seeing all that dumb shit certain friends post... or just delete those people. :D

And about Myspace:
Back in 2004-2007 it was a great mechanism for bands, but as time goes on it becomes ever more pointless. Myspace doesn't really have that many actual people on it anymore - just other bands, organizations, groups, etc. It's hard to promote your band when 70% of your "friends" on Myspace are all just other bands and such, continually out there to just promote themselves. Our myspace hasn't really done anything for us in the past 2 or so years, other than simply serving as a place to have free, streaming music, and to network with other bands. For fans - Facebook is the way to go I think.

SomewhereInTime72
04-21-2010, 12:17 PM
http://www.tommyzor.com/v2-upgrades/myspace-ipod-ruined-the-world/

Some people don't remember that there has always been a large amount of people without much interest in music and were only really into singles....
I know exactly what you're talking about, but thanks to this wonderful feature called "Hide", you can just stop yourself from seeing all that dumb shit certain friends post... or just delete those people. :D


Oh thank god for Hide, haha.

The Green and Black
04-21-2010, 12:34 PM
Some people don't remember that there has always been a large amount of people without much interest in music and were only really into singles

I couldn't read the article, as it was blocked here at work. :tp: But I don't recall metalheads ever being only interested in singles, thought that was always more of a pop thing.

Fe Maiden
04-21-2010, 01:24 PM
What is Facebook?:hecho:

IrritatedTrout
04-21-2010, 01:32 PM
What is Facebook?:hecho:

Seriously?

It's a social networking website and it's kind of huge in today's pop culture.

Maiden33
04-21-2010, 02:33 PM
I agree heartily with this article. Even though I love my Zune.

Get off my lawn.

http://www.tommyzor.com/v2-upgrades/myspace-ipod-ruined-the-world/

One of my favorite articles I've read in a long time, thanks for that. I couldn't agree more with everything in that article about music. The Myspace thing is still pretty valid, which is a lot of the reason why I don't like Myspace - but I still stand by the validity of Facebook.

The Green and Black
04-21-2010, 03:05 PM
If anyone has seen the South Park episode about Facebook, I am Stan. That sums up my feelings. :lol:

You can watch it here

http://www.southparkstudios.com/

It's called You Have 0 Friends. :lol:

Cynicist
04-21-2010, 03:37 PM
If anyone has seen the South Park episode about Facebook, I am Stan. That sums up my feelings. :lol:

You can watch it here

http://www.southparkstudios.com/

It's called You Have 0 Friends. :lol:

That's a favorite episode, in a long time.

Tron gives it plus eleventy points

SomewhereInTime72
04-21-2010, 03:44 PM
I couldn't read the article, as it was blocked here at work. :tp: But I don't recall metalheads ever being only interested in singles, thought that was always more of a pop thing.

Yeah; I just meant pop music pretty much. But the album-oriented genres are haven't really stopped being album-oriented. In that sense, metal is one of the more conservative genres out there. :eyes:

Fe Maiden
04-22-2010, 07:52 AM
Seriously?

It's a social networking website and it's kind of huge in today's pop culture.I know was being sarcastic! Seems to be a bit of a teen wasteland for the most part to me.

IrritatedTrout
04-22-2010, 08:42 AM
I know was being sarcastic! Seems to be a bit of a teen wasteland for the most part to me.

Oh, ok. It's always hard to detect sarcasm on the net I suppose.

ravenheart
04-22-2010, 09:48 AM
I think MySpace and Facebook are great for bands. But I'm just not into all they hey, look at me, here are my friends. Here are my friends drunk. Here are my friends, really really drunk. Here is a picture of my cat in a hat. This is my baby. This is my cousin's baby. blah blah blah

Amen. I think it's a massive waste of time. Which is why I only have a shameless self-promotion page for my concert photos and no actual account.

Even then, I prefer Flickr for such purposes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jukeboxmetal/

Maiden33
04-22-2010, 12:58 PM
Again, I can't stress enough how much I think nay-sayers should give Facebook a shot. If you take advantage of all the options available to you, it's very much possible to glean all the benefits without having to withstand anything you don't like about it. Unlike Myspace it's very friendly as far as customization, privacy, and annoyance-prevention goes. It's far from one-size fits all, and if you try just a little bit, you can avoid all the annoying douche baggery.

ravenheart
04-22-2010, 01:06 PM
I'm sure if you have a use for it then it has the facility somewhere to do what you want. But I don't have the slightest use for it.

The Green and Black
04-22-2010, 07:46 PM
I'm sure if you have a use for it then it has the facility somewhere to do what you want. But I don't have the slightest use for it.

:party::party::party: If I had something to promote I might get involved, but otherwise, no use for me.

mastodon421
05-04-2010, 02:26 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...02&ref=profile

Here is mine.

Enigma Lake
05-07-2010, 02:08 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/derek.handelong

I talk metal and other odd things, all are welcome, add!

larvtard
05-07-2010, 02:54 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...02&ref=profile

Here is mine.

I see what you did there :finger:

makethemsuffer12
05-08-2010, 11:02 AM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...02&ref=profile

Here is mine.

:confused:

That's a link to my facebook bro lol

NecroRob
05-08-2010, 12:38 PM
It's a link to everyone's profile :tongue:

mastodon421
05-08-2010, 04:18 PM
:confused:

That's a link to my facebook bro lol

lol really? idk what happened. :lol:

mastodon421
05-08-2010, 04:28 PM
http://www.facebook.com/irontusk

Alright now here's mine:D for real this time.

ravenheart
05-08-2010, 04:32 PM
lol really? idk what happened. :lol:

You copied the address of the page you visit for your own profile, that's what happened.

Wrathchild_84
05-08-2010, 07:21 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1375595601&ref=profile

Maiden33
05-08-2010, 07:29 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/derek.handelong

I talk metal and other odd things, all are welcome, add!

I had no idea you were so close to me, I may have to add you just because of that, haha. I even have a mutual friend in common with you.

makethemsuffer12
08-01-2010, 02:59 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1734537825&v=info

You already posted it in here...

Dissimulate
08-01-2010, 08:41 PM
Am I the only person who doesn't use facebook?

MPF
08-01-2010, 11:17 PM
For anyone interested:

http://www.facebook.com/jrundquist

Nick_to_the_face
01-26-2011, 08:45 AM
Not sure if anyone cares but here goes

http://www.facebook.com/nick.nstuff

Indestructible
01-26-2011, 09:13 AM
http://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=privacy&ref=mb#!/profile.php?id=1734537825&sk=info

Blackened12
01-30-2011, 05:09 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000942887614

RAZOR
01-30-2011, 08:01 PM
Why not.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=523532965

Nick_to_the_face
01-30-2011, 08:31 PM
Why not.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=523532965

you're a chick?

Indestructible
01-30-2011, 08:33 PM
you're a chick?

I hear that not many women come around here.

Also if any of you view my facebook take a look at my profile photo. :D

idrinkwine732
01-30-2011, 08:35 PM
you're a chick?

There comes a time when each and every person on each and every forum realizes that RAZOR is a chick.

RAZOR
01-30-2011, 08:39 PM
you're a chick?
Yep, surprise. :lol:

There comes a time when each and every person on each and every forum realizes that RAZOR is a chick.

Haha, and you've been a witness to it all three times now.

mankvill
01-30-2011, 08:41 PM
ur a gurl?

wanna go out?

need a bf?

i bet u dont lyke real metal

need me 2 protect u in da pit?

RAZOR
01-30-2011, 08:57 PM
i bet u dont lyke real metal

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs266.snc6/179454_1818777554901_1404001191_32103130_5328496_n .jpg

vampur76
01-30-2011, 09:04 PM
some one from arizona?

idrinkwine732
01-30-2011, 09:08 PM
Haha, and you've been a witness to it all three times now.

It only took these folks a few months, you were posting at Mayhem for a long time before people knew...what you were...

DisposableJustice
01-30-2011, 09:10 PM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/DisposableJustice

no stalking please



unless you fill out an application

RAZOR
01-30-2011, 09:13 PM
It only took these folks a few months, you were posting at Mayhem for a long time before people knew...what you were...

and I'm not even that frequent of a poster on here. These guys are good. :cool:

slapguitarer
01-30-2011, 09:18 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1487305680

If you shoot me a FR, tell me your screen name on here first.:D

Wizzbang11
01-30-2011, 09:20 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm already friends with everyone I care about on here, but w/e:
http://www.facebook.com/dayanweller/

BloodoftheKings
01-30-2011, 09:25 PM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs266.snc6/179454_1818777554901_1404001191_32103130_5328496_n .jpg

This happened to me more times then I can count. Except with me it will be something more basic like Slayer and Megadeth and the other person's favorite "metal" bands are Bring Me The Horizon and Avenged Sevenfold.

Wizzbang11
01-30-2011, 09:27 PM
That doesn't happen to me because I know 90% of women into metal like shitty metal so I just don't bother.
And yet the chick I am currently with like Conqueror and Nunslaughter, so idk.

Nick_to_the_face
01-30-2011, 09:37 PM
ur a gurl?

wanna go out?

need a bf?

i bet u dont lyke real metal

need me 2 protect u in da pit?

:lol:
does that actually happen?

Nick_to_the_face
01-30-2011, 09:40 PM
Yep, surprise. :lol:




i knew there was one chick on here, but besides that i had no idea there were any others :lol:

Nick_to_the_face
01-30-2011, 09:42 PM
That doesn't happen to me because I know 90% of women into metal like shitty metal so I just don't bother.
And yet the chick I am currently with like Conqueror and Nunslaughter, so idk.

My girl friend likes Taylor Swift and Acacia Strain :eyes:
I checked out your recommendation, and I actually really like Goatpenis :eek:
and my girl friend just looks at my weird when I tell her who i am listening to..

RAZOR
01-30-2011, 09:44 PM
i knew there was one chick on here, but besides that i had no idea there were any others :lol:

Haha, well now you know of two. :D

mankvill
01-30-2011, 10:53 PM
:lol:
does that actually happen?

I remember at the Cannibal Corpse show back in July, I let this girl get in front of me (up against the stage) for their last two songs because she was sick of the pit. I felt kinda like a lame white knight.

And then we all know what happened at Hammerween. :eyes:

Indestructible
01-30-2011, 11:06 PM
My girl friend likes Taylor Swift and Acacia Strain :eyes:
I checked out your recommendation, and I actually really like Goatpenis :eek:
and my girl friend just looks at my weird when I tell her who i am listening to..

I would look at my friends weird too if they were listening to a band call goatpenis.

Nick_to_the_face
01-31-2011, 06:46 AM
I would look at my friends weird too if they were listening to a band call goatpenis.

No better than Goatwhore and or things like that...

Indestructible
01-31-2011, 08:25 AM
No better than Goatwhore and or things like that...

I'm glad I don't listen to alot of the stuff all of you do. I don't think I wouldn be able to talk about metal on my moms side of the family if I were listening to bands called goatwhore and goatpenis. They would definetly have a weird reaction to that.

TonyD
01-31-2011, 09:30 AM
I remember at the Cannibal Corpse show back in July, I let this girl get in front of me (up against the stage) for their last two songs because she was sick of the pit. I felt kinda like a lame white knight.

And then we all know what happened at Hammerween. :eyes:

No we don't.

RAZOR
01-31-2011, 10:15 AM
I remember at the Cannibal Corpse show back in July, I let this girl get in front of me (up against the stage) for their last two songs because she was sick of the pit. I felt kinda like a lame white knight.

And then we all know what happened at Hammerween. :eyes:

I don't. Story time plz. :D

larvtard
01-31-2011, 11:27 AM
No better than Goatwhore and or things like that...

False. Goatwhore is a metal as fuck name. Goatpenis is just weird :eyes:

Wizzbang11
01-31-2011, 04:28 PM
Goatwhore is a mediocre band name, GoatPenis is an awful band name but they are so hardcore and serious it somehow overrules the ridiculous name.

Indestructible
01-31-2011, 05:23 PM
Goatwhore


Looked up their song Carving out the eyes of God, it doesn't suck:eek::eyes:
Goddamit you guys are making me like death metal

larvtard
01-31-2011, 05:39 PM
Looked up their song Carving out the eyes of God, it doesn't suck:eek::eyes:


:lovedup: :lovedup:

That song is so goddamn amazing, I can't stand it.

Wizzbang11
01-31-2011, 05:43 PM
For the record, I was tryin to plug this band. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6wapo05OHk&feature=related)
I dont give a shit about Goatwhore.

Dextrimental
01-31-2011, 05:59 PM
Looked up their song Carving out the eyes of God, it doesn't suck:eek::eyes:
Goddamit you guys are making me like death metal

Wouldn't consider them death metal.

Also, goatpenis is a silly name, and the bands art and logo mis-represent their music. They're managerial/marketing team either don't care and know the band fit into a niche that will listen to them anyway, or are bad at their jobs.

Wizzbang11
01-31-2011, 06:03 PM
Also, goatpenis is a silly name, and the bands art and logo mis-represent their music. They're managerial/marketing team either don't care and know the band fit into a niche that will listen to them anyway, or are bad at their jobs.

Word. Their logo is so stupid. The concept isn't even bad, but the bullets look to clean and the font is weird.
The cover to Inhumanization SUCKS.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu2iVE-gnBsawuIDIaLg4YIJa7a3JsghKn9wi4P9fyj0utOdbQjg&t=1

thats not bad though.

Dextrimental
01-31-2011, 06:14 PM
Word. Their logo is so stupid. The concept isn't even bad, but the bullets look to clean and the font is weird.
The cover to Inhumanization SUCKS.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu2iVE-gnBsawuIDIaLg4YIJa7a3JsghKn9wi4P9fyj0utOdbQjg&t=1

thats not bad though.

Thats not bad no, but still not the right track. At first glance, you'd guess power metal, or thrash metal. Of which their music contains little of. As I said, someon in their team needs to look at their marketing strategy.

larvtard
01-31-2011, 06:20 PM
For the record, I was tryin to plug this band. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6wapo05OHk&feature=related)
I dont give a shit about Goatwhore.

haha, that's actually not that bad.
and of course you wouldn't give a shit about Goatwhore. you're way too tr00 for them ;)

Wizzbang11
01-31-2011, 06:22 PM
haha, that's actually not that bad.
and of course you wouldn't give a shit about Goatwhore. you're way too tr00 for them ;)

Nah, saw em live at SotU 2007 and it was 'meh.'
I also heard the album Haunting Curse awhile back and was unimpressed.

larvtard
01-31-2011, 06:25 PM
Nah, saw em live at SotU 2007 and it was 'meh.'
I also heard the album Haunting Curse awhile back and was unimpressed.

Ah, well they don't really sound like they would be up your alley anyhow. I thought their live performance was pretty impressive, though.

larvtard
02-01-2011, 06:41 PM
http://facebook.com/ben52192

makethemsuffer12
02-03-2011, 04:22 PM
Re-post because I'm a whore.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Tubesteak-Cimaglia/1097033911#!/profile.php?id=1097033911

Crionics
02-03-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1051478567

By the way, which one of you is Ryan Donnelly?

BloodoftheKings
02-03-2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1051478567

By the way, which one of you is Ryan Donnelly?

That would be me

Crionics
02-03-2011, 04:41 PM
That would be me

Ah, good to see you :party:

makethemsuffer12
02-03-2011, 04:44 PM
That would be me

Which reminds me, next time you see your brother give him a nice kick in the sack for cutting the hair haha.

BloodoftheKings
02-03-2011, 05:04 PM
Which reminds me, next time you see your brother give him a nice kick in the sack for cutting the hair haha.

:lol:

Nick_to_the_face
02-03-2011, 09:59 PM
That would be me

Know I am less confused :lol:

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 05:12 PM
I made this group join it.:D
http://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=group_191023910918679&notif_t=group_activity

El Gordo
02-23-2011, 05:23 PM
I made this group join it.:D
http://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=group_191023910918679&notif_t=group_activity

I read the little abortion debate. I started to feel the urge to slam my laptop down on one of my nuts. I'll pass.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 05:24 PM
I read the little abortion debate. I started to feel the urge to slam my laptop down on one of my nuts. I'll pass.

You could join in on the debate

El Gordo
02-23-2011, 05:56 PM
You could join in on the debate

Nope. Abortion debates are always the same. So are religious debates. They're pointless.

Wizzbang11
02-23-2011, 07:31 PM
"Warning--any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government also using or monitoring/using this website or any of its associated websites, you do NOT have my permission to utilize any of my profile information nor any of the content contained herein including, but not limited to my photos, and/ or the comments made about my photo's or any other "picture" art posted on my profile. You do not have the right to terminate(shut down or delete) my group because you disagree with information I put up.
You are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, disseminating, or taking any other action against me with regard to this profile and the contents herein. The foregoing prohibitions also apply to your employee(s), agent(s), student(s) or any personnel under your direction or control. The contents of this profile are private and legally privileged and confidential information, and the violation of my personal privacy is punishable by law."


A. ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
B. Have you read the privacy policy/terms of service of facebook?

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 07:36 PM
Nothing is private on facebook. Once you post something it's public information. You should know that AJ :hecho:

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 07:38 PM
Nope. Abortion debates are always the same. So are religious debates. They're pointless.

This is every abortion debate.

Pro-Choice Guy: Logical argument

Pro-Life Guy: IT'S WRONG!!!

I said a few things in that debate. The big pro life guy must have said the same thing about 20 times.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 07:43 PM
A. ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
B. Have you read the privacy policy/terms of service of facebook?
People have said that they have their accounts shut down or were blocked from stuff on facebook etc, when they did nothing wrong. So its just a warning to them(and yes the government to) that they can't fuck with my profile because I say things against them.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 07:44 PM
This is every abortion debate.

Pro-Choice Guy: Logical argument

Pro-Life Guy: IT'S WRONG!!!

I said a few things in that debate. The big pro life guy must have said the same thing about 20 times.

I brought in some logical arguments. Yes I'm one of the pro life guys. Well Im in the middle of pro life and pro choice, but leaning more towards pro life.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 07:45 PM
Nothing is private on facebook. Once you post something it's public information. You should know that AJ :hecho:

I do know that.

Wizzbang11
02-23-2011, 07:46 PM
People have said that they have their accounts shut down or were blocked from stuff on facebook etc, when they did nothing wrong. So its just a warning to them(and yes the government to) that they can't fuck with my profile because I say things against them.

But it's pointless. Assuming the government runs facebook, which they don't, they wouldn't give a shit if you told them it couldn't be shut down. And facebook is a private site, they can terminate your account whenever they want.

Browsing this groups I discovered they you believe vaccines are one of the 4 main poisons of the world today, Glenn Beck has "accurate information" and I saw this heading: Debate: Alex Jones good or bad?, Works for the NWO or not. No matter what he is, is his info still valid?

If I read anymore of this I'm gonna have to destroy something.

Wizzbang11
02-23-2011, 07:47 PM
I do know that.

...then why post some wordy legal sounding paragraph that says the exact opposite?

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 07:48 PM
People have said that they have their accounts shut down or were blocked from stuff on facebook etc, when they did nothing wrong. So its just a warning to them(and yes the government to) that they can't fuck with my profile because I say things against them.

I would love to know what exactly your gonna do about it if the gov't takes info from or shuts down your group. You cant do anything about it cause they have every right to access PUBLIC information.

I brought in some logical arguments. Yes I'm one of the pro life guys. Well Im in the middle of pro life and pro choice, but leaning more towards pro life.

That robert guy was the one who was really pissing me off.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 07:50 PM
But it's pointless. Assuming the government runs facebook, which they don't, they wouldn't give a shit if you told them it couldn't be shut down. And facebook is a private site, they can terminate your account whenever they want.

Browsing this groups I discovered they you believe vaccines are one of the 4 main poisons of the world today, Glenn Beck has "accurate information" and I saw this heading: Debate: Alex Jones good or bad?, Works for the NWO or not. No matter what he is, is his info still valid?

If I read anymore of this I'm gonna have to destroy something.

Im not saying they run facebook, i wouldnt be surprised to find out they did.
You don't have to be a geniuse to figure out the government decieves us and tries to silence people and sites that call them out.
I was just saying that at a point in time Glen Beck was talking about the new world order and other stuff I agree with. Its not like I'm a Beck junkie and i have to get a daily fix of him.
The FDA admits to Thimerosal being in the vaccines, they admit that Thimerosal is a mercury derivative. They admitt to mercury being in the vaccines. Its all on the FDA site. Also I called MERCK a vaccine manufacturing company and they confirmed Mercury and Thimerosal in the multidose Alfluria vaccine.

Wizzbang11
02-23-2011, 07:51 PM
Im not saying they run facebook, i wouldnt be surprised to find out they did.
You don't have to be a geniuse to figure out the government decieves us and tries to silence people and sites that call them out.

That answers almost none of what I said.

Actually, none of it. At all.

"You don't have to be a geniuse"
:(

ChildrenofSodom
02-23-2011, 07:51 PM
Im not saying they run facebook, i wouldnt be surprised to find out they did.
You don't have to be a geniuse to figure out the government decieves us and tries to silence people and sites that call them out.

You'd be right, if you were talking about Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Yemen, or Tunisia.

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 07:52 PM
If Alex Jones was part of the NWO why would it matter if he had valid information? That would mean your getting all your anti NWO information from the NWO. Thats like if you got up to Bowser in super mario brothers and he started shouting at you to jump over him and touch the axe. It wouldn't make any fuckin sense.

rjturtle9
02-23-2011, 07:53 PM
That robert guy was the one who was really pissing me off.

Snap, what did I do now?

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 07:55 PM
I would love to know what exactly your gonna do about it if the gov't takes info from or shuts down your group. You cant do anything about it cause they have every right to access PUBLIC information.



That robert guy was the one who was really pissing me off.

The way politicans are today they don't have the right to do anything. We the people are suppose to be watching them not the other way around.

ChildrenofSodom
02-23-2011, 07:55 PM
Also, the Internet is more unsecure than you guys probably think. ANYTHING you post online can be monitored and manipulated. Any hacker could access and take over your account if they wanted to. Knowing this, you should realize the government isn't as malicious as you think because Alex Jones, LaRouche, David Icke, and all those other nutjobs still have perfectly functioning sites. If the government really wanted to silence dissent, they could just shut them down with a few key strokes. Any good hacker could. They just don't, because they aren't tyrants.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 07:56 PM
If Alex Jones was part of the NWO why would it matter if he had valid information? That would mean your getting all your anti NWO information from the NWO. Thats like if you got up to Bowser in super mario brothers and he started shouting at you to jump over him and touch the axe. It wouldn't make any fuckin sense.

The enemy(NWO) loves to tell us what they are doing. Since the George Bush Senior administration politicans have openly talked about a New world order.

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 07:58 PM
Also, the Internet is more unsecure than you guys probably think. ANYTHING you post online can be monitored and manipulated. Any hacker could access and take over your account if they wanted to. Knowing this, you should realize the government isn't as malicious as you think because Alex Jones, LaRouche, David Icke, and all those other nutjobs still have perfectly functioning sites. If the government really wanted to silence dissent, they could just shut them down with a few key strokes. Any good hacker could. They just don't, because they aren't tyrants.

NO DOOD, TEH GOVERMENT ISNT THAT STUPID, THAT WULD BEE CALING THEIR BLUFF AND MAKE IT 2 OBVOUS THAT WAT ALEX JONES AND DAVID ICKE R SAYING IS TRU

Wizzbang11
02-23-2011, 07:58 PM
The enemy(NWO) loves to tell us what they are doing. Since the George Bush Senior administration politicans have openly talked about a New world order.

That just makes no sense.

ChildrenofSodom
02-23-2011, 07:59 PM
I made this group join it.:D
http://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=group_191023910918679&notif_t=group_activity

Holy shit, let me join.

"I've now been in 57 states I think one left to go." Obama was tired from a long day of campaigning and meant to say 47. Nothing substantive to criticize here.

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 08:00 PM
The enemy(NWO) loves to tell us what they are doing. Since the George Bush Senior administration politicans have openly talked about a New world order.

The phrase "New World Order" dosn't mean poison the masses and put them in FEMA camps, thats just the way you and all the other conspiracy theorist interpret it. New World Order can just mean a new age of peace and prosperity.

ChildrenofSodom
02-23-2011, 08:01 PM
The enemy(NWO) loves to tell us what they are doing. Since the George Bush Senior administration politicans have openly talked about a New world order.

Not a New World Order. A new world order. It means a new way of doing things. "...any new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power." Wilson used it back during the League of Nations days.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 08:16 PM
Maybe all of you should join the group because, all the things I talk about will be much clearer. From the links i post to the other people on there who talk about the nwo etc.

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 08:17 PM
The phrase "New World Order" dosn't mean poison the masses and put them in FEMA camps, thats just the way you and all the other conspiracy theorist interpret it. New World Order can just mean a new age of peace and prosperity.

The politicans in office today will not bring peace and prosperity

idrinkwine732
02-23-2011, 08:19 PM
The politicans in office today will not bring peace and prosperity

:rolleyes:

Indestructible
02-23-2011, 08:19 PM
COS has been added

BloodoftheKings
02-23-2011, 08:50 PM
The politicans in office today will not bring peace and prosperity

You make these assumptions based on knowledge you got from Alex Jones. Who is apparentely part of the NWO. Check mate.

mastodon421
02-24-2011, 11:42 AM
There's only one NWO that matters
http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/nwo-001.jpg

larvtard
02-24-2011, 12:31 PM
Jesus christ, I've lost a few brain cells from reading all of this...

ChildrenofSodom
02-24-2011, 12:35 PM
There's only one NWO that matters
http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/nwo-001.jpg

Fuck that.

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/nwoSting.jpg

Nick_to_the_face
02-25-2011, 04:54 AM
http://files.sharenator.com/Whats_Going_On_In_This_Thread_Huge_Collection_of_R andoms-s400x541-66557-580.jpg

w00tasaurus
02-25-2011, 12:54 PM
did not read thread which I'm thinking was a wise decision.

www.facebook.com/seanmilligan

Indestructible
03-02-2011, 01:15 PM
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_198729223479475&ap=1

ravenheart
03-02-2011, 01:52 PM
The politicans in office today will not bring peace and prosperity

And you, and all your cronies, will say the exact same thing about every set of politicians in office. Because that's what people think non-conformism is.

Indestructible
03-02-2011, 01:55 PM
And you, and all your cronies, will say the exact same thing about every set of politicians in office. Because that's what people think non-conformism is.

We aren't going to say that about every politicans because we are no conformist, we say it because it's true. Look around do you actually think the politicans today are doing a good job?

ravenheart
03-02-2011, 01:57 PM
We aren't going to say that about every politicans because we are no conformist, we say it because it's true. Look around do you actually think the politicans today are doing a good job?

Depends which politicians you're talking about.

Trust me, it doesn't matter in the least which set of politicians are in power. You will always say they're no good.

BloodoftheKings
03-02-2011, 01:57 PM
Look around do you actually think the politicans today are doing a good job?

You know he lives in the UK right?

Indestructible
03-02-2011, 02:05 PM
You know he lives in the UK right?

It probably isn't much different in the UK. All governments and world leaders are connected in the same way. Google The Bilderberg Group.

Indestructible
03-02-2011, 02:07 PM
Depends which politicians you're talking about.

Trust me, it doesn't matter in the least which set of politicians are in power. You will always say they're no good.
You're right. The only politican since Kennedy that I found to be any good is Ron Paul. Former politicans Michael Badnarik and Jesse Ventura are good too. Your not from the USA so google those politicans if you don't know who they are.

treghet
03-02-2011, 02:28 PM
Please just go back to posting pictures of lasagna. :hecho:

powerslave_85
03-02-2011, 02:50 PM
Hahaha, fucking Jesse Ventura.

Decent politicians are few and far between, but they're out there. Gabby Giffords was/is one of them. When I voted for her when she first ran, it was one of the few times when I didn't feel like I was picking the lesser of two evils.

ravenheart
03-02-2011, 03:17 PM
All governments and world leaders are connected in the same way.

You barely know anything about your own government. You're in no position to make such a generalising statement.

And this is the problem, and why I made my previous comment. It doesn't matter whose in power, you will always say the same thing. Not because they actually are no good and you've analysed why they're no good, but just because you're stuck on "all governments are bad". You aren't actually capable of reasoning either way.

In terms of the UK, I don't have a lot of problems with what the current government is doing. It's all unpopular with people who can't see three feet in front of their faces, but they're doing alright so far.

Wizzbang11
03-02-2011, 04:23 PM
You're right. The only politican since Kennedy that I found to be any good is Ron Paul. Former politicans Michael Badnarik and Jesse Ventura are good too. Your not from the USA so google those politicans if you don't know who they are.

What do you see in Kennedy? I really don't know what correlation you would draw between Ron Paul and JFK...

ChildrenofSodom
03-02-2011, 04:49 PM
What do you see in Kennedy? I really don't know what correlation you would draw between Ron Paul and JFK...

I typed up something about this, but decided to stay out of it. It makes no sense.

illuminatus917
03-02-2011, 05:09 PM
You barely know anything about your own government. You're in no position to make such a generalising statement.

And this is the problem, and why I made my previous comment. It doesn't matter whose in power, you will always say the same thing. Not because they actually are no good and you've analysed why they're no good, but just because you're stuck on "all governments are bad". You aren't actually capable of reasoning either way.



As long as some specialized class is in a position of authority, it will set policy to benefit the special interest that it serves. All governments are a specialized class. All governments operate in self interest, not in the interest of the majority.

ChildrenofSodom
03-02-2011, 05:24 PM
As long as some specialized class is in a position of authority, it will set policy to benefit the special interest that it serves. All governments are a specialized class. All governments operate in self interest, not in the interest of the majority.

Every single voter belongs to numerous "special interest" groups. Your statement is too general to make any sense.

illuminatus917
03-02-2011, 06:00 PM
Every single voter belongs to numerous "special interest" groups. Your statement is too general to make any sense.

Every voter belongs to a special interest group in the sense that they advocate specific areas of knowledge or focus on different or specific aspects of their community.
Not every voter belongs to a special interest group in the sense that governments or policy-makers do, or respond to (lobbies). The voters don't have the power to shape legislation based on the political influence from collective institutions.

Novelty isn't necessary for this to "make sense." Governments operate in the same manner as people - self preservation at the expense of best serving the majority. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

ChildrenofSodom
03-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Every voter belongs to a special interest group in the sense that they advocate specific areas of knowledge or focus on different or specific aspects of their community.
Not every voter belongs to a special interest group in the sense that governments or policy-makers do, or respond to (lobbies). The voters don't have the power to shape legislation based on the political influence from collective institutions.

Novelty isn't necessary for this to "make sense." Governments operate in the same manner as people - self preservation at the expense of best serving the majority. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

Voters formalize their "special interest" status by communicating to their legislator that they have a particular policy demand. If you're a farmer and you want corn subsidies, then you can't just sit there and expect your elected official to read your mind. Like I said, everyone belongs to a special interest group when they say what they want.

The ACLU, AARP, and NRA are special interest groups, three of the most powerful, and I would argue that they are institutions that aggregate specific voter concerns and influence legislation. Voters founded those groups, voters give input to those groups, voters support those groups financially, and voters actively participate in campaigns to lobby elected officials. But you're right, legislators do act out of self-interest. If they get elected by their constituents, then they know that those voters have specific interests and policy demands. If they want to stay in office, they will address those issues. If they don't, then they get voted out. Every single Congressional District/State is a "special interest" group. They don't have to answer to the majority of Americans, just the majority of their constituents.

illuminatus917
03-02-2011, 08:35 PM
Voters formalize their "special interest" status by communicating to their legislator that they have a particular policy demand. If you're a farmer and you want corn subsidies, then you can't just sit there and expect your elected official to read your mind. Like I said, everyone belongs to a special interest group when they say what they want.

That's exactly what I was saying. Not all voters do though. The voter advocates specific areas of the community that concerns him. But there is power in numbers. A political institution is more likely to respond to a collective than to an individual. That's why we have special interest groups and lobbying to influence legislation. One farmer voicing an opinion on wanting corn subsidies isn't going to be heard. Do legislators really care about these issues? No. They only care if there's a base substantial enough to gain support, so if they act on such a policy it will benefit their campaign/rep/re-election/etc… It's the problem inherent to any power structure. Setting policy for a special interest will never serve the majority because there will always be a minority, or a group not "sufficient" enough, in size, to influence policy. Each party line already has a special interest at stake based purely off personal idealism. No respectable system claiming to "serve the people" would operate in self-interest.

Indestructible wasn't quite as far gone as they were making him out to be. If history tells us anything, it's that governments are litanies of oppression. I'm not referring directly to the U.S. there as much as I am states in general. At least when it comes to domestic policy, the U.S. is one of the most humane states to ever exist. Indestructible was talking about governments in general, I believe. Discussing special interests is irrelevant if we were to discuss the majority of governments. There are no "special interests" in societies under autocratic rule, or if there are, they're probably unheard. Autocratic or authoritarian governments are even more extreme examples of unjust systems.


The ACLU, AARP, and NRA are special interest groups, three of the most powerful, and I would argue that they are institutions that aggregate specific voter concerns and influence legislation. Voters founded those groups, voters give input to those groups, voters support those groups financially, and voters actively participate in campaigns to lobby elected officials. But you're right, legislators do act out of self-interest. If they get elected by their constituents, then they know that those voters have specific interests and policy demands. If they want to stay in office, they will address those issues. If they don't, then they get voted out. Every single Congressional District/State is a "special interest" group. They don't have to answer to the majority of Americans, just the majority of their constituents.

I specifically had the Environmental Defense Fund in mind, but these work too.

EDIT: I just realized I mistyped my previous comment. My bad.

ChildrenofSodom
03-03-2011, 04:12 AM
Our system is the worst form of government. Except every other one.

Indestructible was saying that politicians work actively against the interests of Americans and don't care about the People.

http://www.epicurean.com/articles/images/lasagna.gif

illuminatus917
03-03-2011, 07:16 AM
Politicians don't care about the people. They care about promoting themselves and their agendas. If politicians worked actively against the best interest of Americans, they wouldn't be promoting themselves very far.

DethMaiden
03-03-2011, 09:43 AM
What do you see in Kennedy? I really don't know what correlation you would draw between Ron Paul and JFK...

Ron Paul believes in conspiracies.

JFK was the target of one.

ChildrenofSodom
03-03-2011, 10:24 AM
Politicians don't care about the people. They care about promoting themselves and their agendas. If politicians worked actively against the best interest of Americans, they wouldn't be promoting themselves very far.

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. You're using conspiracy theory platitudes. Who are "the people"? How do politicians promote their "agenda"? What is their "agenda"? How do they promote "themselves"? Who are "politicians"?

You're acting like these actors are clearly definable and exactly alike.

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 11:20 AM
Politicians don't care about the people. They care about promoting themselves and their agendas. If politicians worked actively against the best interest of Americans, they wouldn't be promoting themselves very far.

Agreed, and believe me the agenda these politicans promote are far worse than anything you can imagine.

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 11:22 AM
I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. You're using conspiracy theory platitudes. Who are "the people"? How do politicians promote their "agenda"? What is their "agenda"? How do they promote "themselves"? Who are "politicians"?

You're acting like these actors are clearly definable and exactly alike.
Do you really think politicans care about the people?. You don't have to be intelligent to figure out that politicans are promoting their agenda and don't give a fuck about us. "You're using conspiracy theory platitudes", why don't you look into the fucking conspiracy theories and then talk.

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 11:24 AM
Ron Paul believes in conspiracies.

JFK was the target of one.

Ron Paul wants to end the FED, JFK would of ened the fed and would of done many other great things, but they killed him before he could get anything done.

illuminatus917
03-03-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. You're using conspiracy theory platitudes. Who are "the people"? How do politicians promote their "agenda"? What is their "agenda"? How do they promote "themselves"? Who are "politicians"?

You're acting like these actors are clearly definable and exactly alike.

By definition, people are a collective body that make up a society (pick one), or, you could call them citizens.

These are people:

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

Of that 6.9 billion, about 0.001% are "policy makers."

An agenda, by definition, is an outline of material to be voted upon.

A politician, by definition, is a person seeking or holding office. In fact, here is the actual definition of a "politician:" a seeker or holder of public office, who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/politician)

There's nothing cryptographic about the terminology I use.

BloodoftheKings
03-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Do you really think politicans care about the people?. You don't have to be intelligent to figure out that politicans are promoting their agenda and don't give a fuck about us. "You're using conspiracy theory platitudes", why don't you look into the fucking conspiracy theories and then talk.

Didn't he say he was a conspiracy theorist for 3 years or something?

ravenheart
03-03-2011, 03:35 PM
Agreed, and believe me the agenda these politicans promote are far worse than anything you can imagine.

Right, because you know :lol:

ChildrenofSodom
03-03-2011, 03:46 PM
Do you really think politicans care about the people?. You don't have to be intelligent to figure out that politicans are promoting their agenda and don't give a fuck about us. "You're using conspiracy theory platitudes", why don't you look into the fucking conspiracy theories and then talk.

Having interned for two politicians, a state representative and the Governor the whole state of Ohio, and working intimately with their policy people, yes, I really do think politicians care about people. They busted their ASSES to help people before they were elected, they did shit in office to help the people they represented, and they are both actively involved in their community since they left office. Fuck you for thinking they don't care about people. You use these phrases like "politicians" and "the people" to generalize and convey your warped sense of the way things are. But you're wrong.

"The People" don't exist, because like I said, every single person has multiple interests. If a politicians pursues higher taxes and higher entitlements, he is helping the poor people who get entitlements and hurting the rich people who get taxed. On this particular issue, these two groups have conflicting interests. Therefore, a politician can't always pass policies that are completely beneficial to all of "the people."

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 04:00 PM
Having interned for two politicians, a state representative and the Governor the whole state of Ohio, and working intimately with their policy people, yes, I really do think politicians care about people. They busted their ASSES to help people before they were elected, they did shit in office to help the people they represented, and they are both actively involved in their community since they left office. Fuck you for thinking they don't care about people. You use these phrases like "politicians" and "the people" to generalize and convey your warped sense of the way things are. But you're wrong.

"The People" don't exist, because like I said, every single person has multiple interests. If a politicians pursues higher taxes and higher entitlements, he is helping the poor people who get entitlements and hurting the rich people who get taxed. On this particular issue, these two groups have conflicting interests. Therefore, a politician can't always pass policies that are completely beneficial to all of "the people."

You lost all credibility right there. Of corse you think politican are doing good you worked for some so you're going to be decived into thinking they actually care. Maybe local and state politicans do care but do you really think politicans like Obama and the ones who pull his strings really give a fuck about us. Do you think politcans like Ben Bernake give a fuck about us.
I can't believe you're this shocked to find someone who hate politicans, I'm not the only there are plenty more like me out there.

ChildrenofSodom
03-03-2011, 04:16 PM
Of corse you think politican are doing good you worked for some so you're going to be decived into thinking they actually care.

/thread

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 04:25 PM
/thread

Great come back i hurt so bad now.:tp:

ravenheart
03-03-2011, 04:37 PM
You lost all credibility right there. Of corse you think politican are doing good you worked for some so you're going to be decived into thinking they actually care. Maybe local and state politicans do care but do you really think politicans like Obama and the ones who pull his strings really give a fuck about us. Do you think politcans like Ben Bernake give a fuck about us.
I can't believe you're this shocked to find someone who hate politicans, I'm not the only there are plenty more like me out there.

Well first off, at least he had credibility to lose. That's one step above you.

Secondly, you're right, there are loads of people who hate politicians. They're called "followers". They're people, like yourself, who haven't a clue what actually goes on, have no idea how the World works, but absolutely love the notion of being anti-establishment. And there are loads of meaningless phrases like "the people" and "agenda" that you can throw around that you think prove your point, which makes it all the more enjoyable for you. The whole 'edgy' idea of being against The Man almost requires no actual thought, because it's just so much damn fun. It's cool. There's a whole system of this crap already built for you to read about on the internet and follow blindly, which makes it nice and easy to regurgitate too.

Don't worry, you're not alone. Religious people fell for similar tricks.

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Well first off, at least he had credibility to lose. That's one step above you.

Secondly, you're right, there are loads of people who hate politicians. They're called "followers". They're people, like yourself, who haven't a clue what actually goes on, have no idea how the World works, but absolutely love the notion of being anti-establishment. And there are loads of meaningless phrases like "the people" and "agenda" that you can throw around that you think prove your point, which makes it all the more enjoyable for you. The whole 'edgy' idea of being against The Man almost requires no actual thought, because it's just so much damn fun. It's cool. There's a whole system of this crap already built for you to read about on the internet and follow blindly, which makes it nice and easy to regurgitate too.

Don't worry, you're not alone. Religious people fell for similar tricks.

Yeah you know so much about me and others you call "conspiracy theorists". Wow I knew there were people who are fine with the government but I thought they atleast got why people distrust politicans. I'm done debating on here, all of you are pricks so its fucking useless.

Indestructible
03-03-2011, 04:45 PM
I never started to hate the government because it was the cool thing to do, Now that is blindly following.
Infact there are many people opposite of me who like the government and believe what politicans tell them on TV, that too is blindly following.

ravenheart
03-03-2011, 04:45 PM
I thought they atleast got why people distrust politicans

Of course we do. The point is you generalise all politicians with the same views, but you know about, what, 2% of all politicians? If you made reasonable comments people might not argue with you so much. But you don't. You make broad statements with no backing that those of us who have been around a bit have heard a shit-ton times before from people with just as little reasoning.

ravenheart
03-03-2011, 04:46 PM
Infact there are many people opposite of me who like the government and believe what politicans tell them on TV, that too is blindly following.

First true thing you've said. As with almost all debates, there are extremes on both sides and there are most certainly people who blindly follow the other end of the spectrum.

Just like there are idiots who blindly follow which technology the media tells them to buy, which songs the radio tells them to listen to, etc. etc.

These people always exist at both ends and the reasonable people, who understand that some things are good and some things are bad, are left in the middle.

JLRedWing13
03-03-2011, 04:49 PM
lol @ the jump from the OP to this.

ravenheart
03-03-2011, 04:50 PM
lol @ the jump from the OP to this.

This happens to most threads Indestrictibibble gets involved in.

El Gordo
03-03-2011, 04:56 PM
I'm done debating on here

4 minutes later...

I never started to hate the government because it was the cool thing to do, Now that is blindly following.
Infact there are many people opposite of me who like the government and believe what politicans tell them on TV, that too is blindly following.

:lol:

Wizzbang11
03-03-2011, 05:14 PM
As much as I have heated disagreements with ChildrenofSodom, if anyone on here is qualified to speak about the US government or economics, it's Cameron. Also Indestructible, he shared your viewpoint when he was your age (and judging by his obvious intellectual advantage over you I'm sure the shit he spewed was much more coherent regardless of it's lack of reality) so he can address your ridiculous conspiracy theorist claims. Like always you completely ignore every logical argument made and don't even respond when questioned as to what all your vague "patriotic" buzz words really mean. I doubt you could even name 10 congressmen off hand(or any recent bills/actions etc.,) so to have you claim they are all out to get us is insulting. You accuse us of being followers, but I don't think you've even thought about any of what you are saying beyond what Alex Jones or David Icke tells you. Ron Paul and JFK? I doubt you know anything about Kennedy, and you probably just group him here because some conspiracy theorist you look up to called him "the last true president." I'm actually surprised you don't have a list on hand of politicians you support, because it's not like Ron Paul is the only conspiracy theorist libertarian out there, but again this just shows that you probably don't even know much about the views you espouse constantly. You don't even know what politicians Cameron worked with, obviously you like some of them, so would his view be void if they feared the NWO, FEMA, fluoride and chemtrails? If you were more educated on your chosen extremist viewpoint and spoke decent English it would be more possible to take you seriously, but I'm surprised your conspiracy theorist friends even put up with you. At least most of them can make it sound like they know what they are talking about.

ChildrenofSodom
03-03-2011, 05:18 PM
I distrust a lot of politicians. I distrust John Kasich because he is a shady individual, he has an abrasive attitude, his campaign tactics were deceptive, he's made some less-than-legal appointments, and I disagree with most of what he advocates.

I do not, however, distrust Congressman Paul Ryan. He seems like an intelligent person that legitimately wants to help people/business/the economy/the country by implementing the policies that he thinks are right. I disagree with these policies, but I don't "distrust" him as a person.

ChildrenofSodom
03-03-2011, 05:19 PM
As much as I have heated disagreements with ChildrenofSodom, if anyone on here is qualified to speak about the US government or economics, it's Cameron.

Aww...I'm blushing. Does this make us frenemies?

BloodoftheKings
03-03-2011, 05:40 PM
As much as I have heated disagreements with ChildrenofSodom, if anyone on here is qualified to speak about the US government or economics, it's Cameron. Also Indestructible, he shared your viewpoint when he was your age (and judging by his obvious intellectual advantage over you I'm sure the shit he spewed was much more coherent regardless of it's lack of reality) so he can address your ridiculous conspiracy theorist claims. Like always you completely ignore every logical argument made and don't even respond when questioned as to what all your vague "patriotic" buzz words really mean. I doubt you could even name 10 congressmen off hand(or any recent bills/actions etc.,) so to have you claim they are all out to get us is insulting. You accuse us of being followers, but I don't think you've even thought about any of what you are saying beyond what Alex Jones or David Icke tells you. Ron Paul and JFK? I doubt you know anything about Kennedy, and you probably just group him here because some conspiracy theorist you look up to called him "the last true president." I'm actually surprised you don't have a list on hand of politicians you support, because it's not like Ron Paul is the only conspiracy theorist libertarian out there, but again this just shows that you probably don't even know much about the views you espouse constantly. You don't even know what politicians Cameron worked with, obviously you like some of them, so would his view be void if they feared the NWO, FEMA, fluoride and chemtrails? If you were more educated on your chosen extremist viewpoint and spoke decent English it would be more possible to take you seriously, but I'm surprised your conspiracy theorist friends even put up with you. At least most of them can make it sound like they know what they are talking about.

This x 1000

larvtard
03-03-2011, 05:45 PM
As much as I have heated disagreements with ChildrenofSodom, if anyone on here is qualified to speak about the US government or economics, it's Cameron. Also Indestructible, he shared your viewpoint when he was your age (and judging by his obvious intellectual advantage over you I'm sure the shit he spewed was much more coherent regardless of it's lack of reality) so he can address your ridiculous conspiracy theorist claims. Like always you completely ignore every logical argument made and don't even respond when questioned as to what all your vague "patriotic" buzz words really mean. I doubt you could even name 10 congressmen off hand(or any recent bills/actions etc.,) so to have you claim they are all out to get us is insulting. You accuse us of being followers, but I don't think you've even thought about any of what you are saying beyond what Alex Jones or David Icke tells you. Ron Paul and JFK? I doubt you know anything about Kennedy, and you probably just group him here because some conspiracy theorist you look up to called him "the last true president." I'm actually surprised you don't have a list on hand of politicians you support, because it's not like Ron Paul is the only conspiracy theorist libertarian out there, but again this just shows that you probably don't even know much about the views you espouse constantly. You don't even know what politicians Cameron worked with, obviously you like some of them, so would his view be void if they feared the NWO, FEMA, fluoride and chemtrails? If you were more educated on your chosen extremist viewpoint and spoke decent English it would be more possible to take you seriously, but I'm surprised your conspiracy theorist friends even put up with you. At least most of them can make it sound like they know what they are talking about.

haha...that shut him up. Well said, man.

Sanitarium78
03-03-2011, 05:46 PM
There's only one NWO that matters
http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/nwo-001.jpg

:party:

Best post in this thread along with the one wizbang just did.

illuminatus917
03-03-2011, 07:54 PM
For the record, everyone has an "agenda," in the sense that they have something they prioritize. And it's usually selfish. The analogy of corn subsidies works. Farmers wanting corn subsidies won't care about a hospital wanting an allocation of funds to enlarge a research facility, and vice versa. Both priorities, or, "agendas," are conceived in self-interest. Governments operate in the same way… in perceived self-interest.

I'm extremely surprised that "exceptionalism," if we can call it that (it certainly seems like exceptionalism), has found it's way on a metal forum. This isn't exactly the place where I would expect to find "the politicians care about the people."

Maybe politics differ in Ohio. In North Carolina, I wouldn't say most politicians "care about the people." My uncle served on the NC state senate, and his career ended when he refused to pair his vote in opposition of a state lottery back in '05. He was beat in the republican primary in the spring of '06 by state senator Steve Goss (who has since been defeated). His quote "long time republican friends," who were anti-lottery, stopped supporting him (the voting turnout in primaries is real low compared to the general election… usually more activist oriented… his "long time republican friends" voted against him). This is just one example of how "politics" are more about "politics" than looking out for best interests in general. And it's just one example. Things like this happen all the time, especially on the county level (which I'm more exposed to than state and national levels). Money generated by state lotteries are allocated by the state to fund education, which we desperately needed at the time. There's no sense in republican opposition to a policy that will aid education funding because "state lotteries are a tax on the poor."

Sodom seems to have the "your argument is bullshit unless you give specifics" mentality, hence my anecdote… just so it doesn't seem too terribly random. Again, that's a basic example from a more personal experience. It's an example of the result of disloyalty to a party line. Perhaps my dissidence is biased due to the environment closer to home. My anti-Americanism is based much more off foreign policy than domestic (I feel a little out of my comfort zone discussing anti-Americanism with a domestic schemata). Still, I think domestic policy in general is extremely propagandistic and operates in self-interest. Go back to Adam Smith when he talked about England, and I use Chomsky as a reference here. Smith pointed out, correctly, that the architects of policy are the people who basically own the country (in his day merchants and manufacturers). And they make policy to ensure their own interests are well served no matter how grievous the effect on others, including the people of England. That's a simple truism. It holds true for power systems in general, including ours.

Take for instance the Obama Administration. The core of its funding was financial institutions, by now the largest sect of the economy. They don't contribute a whole lot to the economy but they're massively influential and carry enormous weight (probably 40% or so of corporate profits) -questionable as far as economic contribution- but very powerful. In this case these institutions were the core of his funding. In the tradition of U.S. politics, which has been well studied, and comes as no surprise, the funders expect to be paid off. So it's no surprise that the concentration of the funding determines the policies. It was immediately predictable, from the start of the Obama administration, that the beneficiaries would be the very financial institutions that tanked the economy.

The people Obama picked as his economic advisors were not Joseph Stiglitz or Paul Krugman (nobel laureates), they were the people who created the crisis (Robert Reuben, Lawrence Summers, Tom Geithner, others I don't remember). Again, this comes as no surprise. Reiterate, reiterate, reiterate… policy is derived from basic self-interest.

illuminatus917
03-03-2011, 08:41 PM
Not just policy, decision making in general.

ravenheart
03-04-2011, 12:36 AM
I distrust a lot of politicians. I distrust John Kasich because he is a shady individual, he has an abrasive attitude, his campaign tactics were deceptive, he's made some less-than-legal appointments, and I disagree with most of what he advocates.

I do not, however, distrust Congressman Paul Ryan. He seems like an intelligent person that legitimately wants to help people/business/the economy/the country by implementing the policies that he thinks are right. I disagree with these policies, but I don't "distrust" him as a person.

And that's the point. Some are good, some are bad. "All politicians are evil" is juvenile and stupid, as it sounds like you realised a few years back, and Indestructible is still to realise.

Div
03-04-2011, 07:37 AM
politicians are people just like the rest of us, they fuck up, they get greedy, they give in the earthly pleasures (which i dont see as bad, but they are the ones who chose to become public figures and so they must live up to the publics ridiculous expectations).

however, indestructible, (whatever his real name is, id use it here if i knew) has chosen to get all his beliefs from alex jones. aj is the notorious king pin of conspiracy theorists. his following has exploded over the past 10 years and he's probably not going to stop anytime soon. hes convinced himself that his theories are real, so you cant say hes an intentional crook, but he still rpomotes his business for business purposes.

how will you make money in life? he's doing quite well by taking money from these people.

ChildrenofSodom
03-04-2011, 07:47 AM
Exactly. If Alex Jones really cares about educating the masses, then he wouldn't charge so much for his DVDs. He'd sell them at cost.

Div
03-04-2011, 07:59 AM
Exactly. If Alex Jones really cares about educating the masses, then he wouldn't charge so much for his DVDs. He'd sell them at cost.

well he does upload them to google video, and while his stuff can be thought provoking, his misinformed exaggerations are best kept out of people minds, he managed to snare mustaine after all. i mean he has tex marrs on his show as a credible source... give me a break already.


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back on topic, i use facebook but only to say what up to people sometimes or post a youtube video i find amusing. facebook turns so many people (guys especially) into fucking divas its disgusting.

anyway, facebook.com/mikemiele if anyone wants to hit me up.

ravenheart
03-04-2011, 07:59 AM
Exactly. If Alex Jones really cares about educating the masses, then he wouldn't charge so much for his DVDs. He'd sell them at cost.

I can only imagine what a DVD presented by a conspiracy crackpot would be like...

Does he do seminar tours too?

Either way, it doesn't matter which public speaker it is, in whichever guise they're in, if you take what they say and form a generalisation out of it, then you're not presenting a valid or reasonable argument. It'd be like me watching clips of Glen Beck and saying "all American journalists are sensationalist morons", because I barely have any exposure to American journalism.

Div
03-04-2011, 08:03 AM
I can only imagine what a DVD presented by a conspiracy crackpot would be like...

Does he do seminar tours too?

No, but he will come to your city and shout at politicians or news crews with a megaphone if it will get him enough publicity.

ravenheart
03-04-2011, 08:08 AM
No, but he will come to your city and shout at politicians or news crews with a megaphone if it will get him enough publicity.

Oh right. There's a voice to be trusted then :tp:

Nick_to_the_face
03-04-2011, 08:28 AM
http://www.freewebs.com/sopimusician/is%20it%20safe%20copy.jpg

illuminatus917
03-04-2011, 12:53 PM
I don't see what the big deal is about this thread. There's nothing to be afraid of. All these people want to do is ridicule Indestructible, not actually debate the issue.

ravenheart
03-04-2011, 02:53 PM
I don't see what the big deal is about this thread. There's nothing to be afraid of. All these people want to do is ridicule Indestructible, not actually debate the issue.

There's nothing to debate. As always Indestructible has not actually offered any issues or reasoned arguments to debate, he's just made a broad, juvenile generalisation, and then thrown a strop when he's been called on it.

IrritatedTrout
03-04-2011, 03:30 PM
I'm done debating on here, all of you are pricks so its fucking useless.

I love how you fall back on that whenever someone disagrees with you. Be it music, politics, your spelling, whatever.

illuminatus917
03-04-2011, 06:58 PM
There's nothing to debate. As always Indestructible has not actually offered any issues or reasoned arguments to debate, he's just made a broad, juvenile generalisation, and then thrown a strop when he's been called on it.

There is an issue to debate. I have offered issues that warrant retort, especially considering Sodom's arguments. He said Ohio politicians "did shit in office to help the people they represented." I take great issue with that if he's implying Ohio politics and American politics are somehow analogous. If Ohio politics actually operate in this fashion, they're hardly representative of America as a whole. I don't know what goes on in Ohio (other than they're in less debt than most every other state in the union). I do know, at least on the national level, the funding contributors expect to be paid off, and are paid off, via policy. The current administration is a textbook example, which I described earlier (and received no retort).

Dextrimental
03-05-2011, 04:18 AM
There is an issue to debate. I have offered issues that warrant retort, especially considering Sodom's arguments. He said Ohio politicians "did shit in office to help the people they represented." I take great issue with that if he's implying Ohio politics and American politics are somehow analogous. If Ohio politics actually operate in this fashion, they're hardly representative of America as a whole. I don't know what goes on in Ohio (other than they're in less debt than most every other state in the union). I do know, at least on the national level, the funding contributors expect to be paid off, and are paid off, via policy. The current administration is a textbook example, which I described earlier (and received no retort).

This is not the place to have said debate. People probably didn't see your post, or chose to ignore it. This is the Facebook thread for users of the board to add each other on facebook, and indestructible posted and requested people join his group on facebook, which was having a discussion on abortion which of course went straight to him making a rather large sweeping statement on American politics. A few users decided to call him on it, and then he got mad and threw what my dad would call a 'wobbler'. The politics debate deserves its own thread if you guys want to discuss it.

illuminatus917
03-05-2011, 10:00 AM
Yeah, well I'm not one to make threads. If someone else wants to make a thread devoted to such a topic, I'd be happy to partake. I don't think that will happen though. I get the feeling nobody wants a political debate that moves beyond common slogans.

ravenheart
03-05-2011, 05:29 PM
There is an issue to debate. I have offered issues that warrant retort, especially considering Sodom's arguments. He said Ohio politicians "did shit in office to help the people they represented." I take great issue with that if he's implying Ohio politics and American politics are somehow analogous. If Ohio politics actually operate in this fashion, they're hardly representative of America as a whole. I don't know what goes on in Ohio (other than they're in less debt than most every other state in the union). I do know, at least on the national level, the funding contributors expect to be paid off, and are paid off, via policy. The current administration is a textbook example, which I described earlier (and received no retort).

Oh, you were talking about you.

On that topic, I don't think Sodom was saying Ohio politics proves that American politics is fine and dandy. He was saying it disproves Indestuctible's generalisation. Which seemed like a perfectly accurate point to make, to me.

illuminatus917
03-05-2011, 06:53 PM
Oh, you were talking about you.

On that topic, I don't think Sodom was saying Ohio politics proves that American politics is fine and dandy. He was saying it disproves Indestuctible's generalisation. Which seemed like a perfectly accurate point to make, to me.

It's all good. Dextrimental is probably right, this isn't the place for this debate.

I haven't read everything that was said here. I did read where Sodom said he had interned for politicians who had worked their asses off. His posts have seemed to imply he's more pro "the American political structure" than against it (when we were talking about special interest groups and constituents and such). Yeah, at the mention of constituencies there was definitely room for a less generalized line of discussion. (Less generalized than saying "all politicians are evil," as Indestructible did).

ChildrenofSodom
03-05-2011, 07:02 PM
brb in 30 years, I'll let you guys know what government's like from the inside.

illuminatus917
03-05-2011, 07:37 PM
It is hypocritical in a sense… that is, for us to sit back and critique what goes on behind closed doors. There are sure to be tons of factors that go into decision making, high up, that nobody can know unless they're on the inside.

ChildrenofSodom
03-05-2011, 07:54 PM
Politics is definitely dirty and sneaky, and there is plenty of corruption, lies, self-serving behavior, and unethical backdoor deals.

ravenheart
03-06-2011, 05:13 AM
Politics is definitely dirty and sneaky, and there is plenty of corruption, lies, self-serving behavior, and unethical backdoor deals.

100% true of more areas than politics...